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post May 3, 2011 - 12:14 AM
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Soooooooo, I have had to send my 26 out to be rebuilt and in the process have found that the turbine wheels need to be changed. The shop that has the turbo says that they can't get the JDM ceramic wheels so they will have to use steel ones.

1) how will this affect my spool time/ Lag? (new to forced induction, understand the basics but am still a little fuzzy on the intricacies)

2) anyone know where to get the ceramic wheels?

3) any one have a JDM importers # or a 26 or 20b they can spare?

Thanks for your input and assistance all.
 
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post May 3, 2011 - 5:02 PM
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I don't know, Someone will try and correct me here but I was running 17psi on the ct26/t04e and it was like the ct20b at 14psi in the top end, it was like not having a turbo at all in the low end.

It barely felt like I had 230hp at the engine


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1996 Toyota Celica ST205 GT-FOUR
GT2860RS turbine, TiAL mvr44, JE 86.5φ piston, Clutchmasters FX400, APEX P-FC
269awhp / 273ft-lbs
post May 3, 2011 - 5:30 PM
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QUOTE (delusionz @ May 3, 2011 - 5:02 PM) *
I don't know, Someone will try and correct me here but I was running 17psi on the ct26/t04e and it was like the ct20b at 14psi in the top end, it was like not having a turbo at all in the low end.

It barely felt like I had 230hp at the engine
THE CT27 isn't the ct26 u keep saying ct26 the one thing the ct27 has is the ct26 hosing that its when your celica can beat one of atsracing mr2 u can talk all the crap in the world about a ct27 but i dont think that will ever happen i dont even think they have a mr2 up there runnin anything under 450 rwhp go check out these links on youtube this is matt's car from atsracing http://youtu.be/0Imf2NiB1xI.........and thats why u blow up turbos not because there crap because the ct26 is a good turbo but because u ride around on 17psi u are killing that turbo it is a stock turbo not after market it wasn't made to be beat up like that and if your car was stock with no upgrades you are making the turbo do all of the work

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post May 4, 2011 - 6:12 AM
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QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 4, 2011 - 10:30 AM) *
QUOTE (delusionz @ May 3, 2011 - 5:02 PM) *
I don't know, Someone will try and correct me here but I was running 17psi on the ct26/t04e and it was like the ct20b at 14psi in the top end, it was like not having a turbo at all in the low end.

It barely felt like I had 230hp at the engine
THE CT27 isn't the ct26 u keep saying ct26 the one thing the ct27 has is the ct26 hosing that its when your celica can beat one of atsracing mr2 u can talk all the crap in the world about a ct27 but i dont think that will ever happen i dont even think they have a mr2 up there runnin anything under 450 rwhp go check out these links on youtube this is matt's car from atsracing http://youtu.be/0Imf2NiB1xI.........and thats why u blow up turbos not because there crap because the ct26 is a good turbo but because u ride around on 17psi u are killing that turbo it is a stock turbo not after market it wasn't made to be beat up like that and if your car was stock with no upgrades you are making the turbo do all of the work


when you own a gt4 or a 3s-gte car with the weight of a gt4 you'll reconsider the ct26. ct26 only feels good to you because even 200hp in a fwd na celica makes it go fast.

the ct26 blew its oil seals long before i boosted it to 17. 17psi is fine on a t04e rebuild, thats how the ats turbo makes its power you think they mess around with stock boost? they wont barely see 190hp at the wheels buddy let alone 450 or whatever you claim.

the ct20b ceramic turbine shattered at stock boost - 13psi.

i already posted what i know, 53mm t04e wheel is the biggest u should get in a ct26, even look on the ATS website they say the same thing themselves, their CT27 is exactly the same as the turbo I had, unless they also do something with the exhaust wheel but as i already pointed out, the ct26 exhaust wheel is 2mm oversized as it is, they cant go with a smaller wheel they can only replace it with a steel wheel which provides better durability, mine remained ceramic.


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1996 Toyota Celica ST205 GT-FOUR
GT2860RS turbine, TiAL mvr44, JE 86.5φ piston, Clutchmasters FX400, APEX P-FC
269awhp / 273ft-lbs

Posts in this topic
- Darkchylde   ct26 turbine wheels, JDM ceramic versus USDM steel   May 3, 2011 - 12:14 AM
- - brenton1919   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 3, 2011 - 12...   May 3, 2011 - 12:22 AM
- - Darkchylde   If I recall correctly the ct27 is a 26 housing wit...   May 3, 2011 - 1:11 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 3, 2011 - 2...   May 3, 2011 - 1:21 AM
- - Darkchylde   does any one have the specs for the ct 27?   May 3, 2011 - 1:55 AM
- - delusionz   ct26 is crap nomatter what they do with it. for s...   May 3, 2011 - 5:44 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 3, 2011 - 6:4...   May 3, 2011 - 1:52 PM
- - Darkchylde   Okay from what I can tell Delusionz, you ARE defin...   May 3, 2011 - 7:43 AM
- - Culpable04   the cost of a CT27 is not worthy. your best bet is...   May 3, 2011 - 7:59 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 3, 2011 - 8...   May 3, 2011 - 8:54 AM
- - delusionz   Yeah I'm the one that's blown a ct20b and ...   May 3, 2011 - 10:54 AM
- - delusionz   I don't know, Someone will try and correct me ...   May 3, 2011 - 5:02 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 3, 2011 - 5:0...   May 3, 2011 - 5:30 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 4, 2011 - 10...   May 4, 2011 - 6:12 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 4, 2011 - 7:1...   May 4, 2011 - 3:24 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 5, 2011 - 8...   May 4, 2011 - 5:02 PM
|- - brenton1919   i have unhooked my turbo off of my engine and kept...   May 4, 2011 - 10:35 PM
- - korban   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 3, 2011 - 12...   May 3, 2011 - 9:01 PM
|- - Darkchylde   QUOTE (korban @ May 3, 2011 - 10:01 ...   May 3, 2011 - 10:16 PM
- - Darkchylde   Some background, I have a 2nd gen 3sgte, e153 tran...   May 3, 2011 - 10:10 PM
- - korban   You seem pretty well setup there, what ECU are you...   May 3, 2011 - 10:25 PM
- - Darkchylde   Not, keen on the ceramic per se, just trying to ge...   May 3, 2011 - 11:17 PM
- - easternpiro1   glad i stumbled onto this thread. I so happen to h...   May 3, 2011 - 11:50 PM
- - Darkchylde   Sure you don't want to part with that 20b brot...   May 4, 2011 - 12:14 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 4, 2011 - 1...   May 4, 2011 - 1:39 AM
- - easternpiro1   lol let me get her up and runnin, and rolling for ...   May 4, 2011 - 1:54 AM
- - Culpable04   ceramic wheel makes for a faster spool, but is wea...   May 4, 2011 - 8:51 AM
- - delusionz   berk pipe and injectors 700hp are you kidding? No...   May 4, 2011 - 6:18 PM
- - Darkchylde   Alright fellas, play nice. I know everyone has th...   May 4, 2011 - 9:29 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 4, 2011 - 9...   May 4, 2011 - 10:41 PM
- - easternpiro1   i like this darkchylde guy classy guy. and delusi...   May 4, 2011 - 10:10 PM
- - Darkchylde   'preciate it 'piro. If you come to a deci...   May 4, 2011 - 10:37 PM
- - Darkchylde   thanks brenton, Turbo found!!!!...   May 4, 2011 - 11:31 PM
- - Darkchylde   Well, found the turbo, and the injectors both shou...   May 6, 2011 - 2:01 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 4, 2011 - 11...   May 6, 2011 - 2:37 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (lagos @ May 6, 2011 - 2:37 PM...   May 6, 2011 - 3:11 PM
- - korban   They should fit, and would be the same flow as fac...   May 6, 2011 - 3:39 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (korban @ May 6, 2011 - 3:39 P...   May 6, 2011 - 3:55 PM
- - presure2   brenton, brent both 2nd and 3rd gen have side feed...   May 8, 2011 - 7:14 AM
|- - easternpiro1   QUOTE (presure2 @ May 8, 2011 - 8:14...   May 8, 2011 - 9:30 AM
|- - brenton1919   Iiiiii yessss I'm sorry guys its all good in t...   May 8, 2011 - 3:11 PM
- - Darkchylde   Thanks Manny, just got a 20B shipped over from PR....   May 8, 2011 - 6:38 PM
- - delusionz   Sorry guys, It was already gone a bit too far and ...   May 8, 2011 - 9:17 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 8, 2011 - 10...   May 8, 2011 - 10:05 PM
- - delusionz   this is what we call an upgraded ct26 or a ct26/t0...   May 8, 2011 - 10:23 PM
- - delusionz   I found another pic of a T04e upgraded CT26 which ...   May 9, 2011 - 4:37 AM
- - delusionz   And here is Darkchyld's CT20b showing 5 blades   May 9, 2011 - 4:43 AM
- - delusionz   CT20b we know is 48mm CT26 is 42mm Mine apparently...   May 9, 2011 - 4:47 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 9, 2011 - 4:4...   May 9, 2011 - 5:38 AM
- - delusionz   And here you can see ATS racing CT27 turbos with 6...   May 9, 2011 - 4:51 AM
- - presure2   the key to the 27 is the exhaust side work. thats ...   May 9, 2011 - 5:50 AM
- - delusionz   thanks presure2, the exhaust side on a 26 is sligh...   May 9, 2011 - 5:53 AM
|- - brenton1919   [quote name='delusionz' date='May 9, 2...   May 9, 2011 - 6:51 AM
- - delusionz   i wanna know what spoolup is like on CT27. Car gi...   May 9, 2011 - 7:04 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 9, 2011 - 7:0...   May 9, 2011 - 7:22 AM
- - delusionz   http://www.mrcontrols.com/primers/turbo.htm QUOTE...   May 10, 2011 - 8:10 AM
- - delusionz   This what ATS do? Clip the USDM steel exhaust whee...   May 10, 2011 - 8:22 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 10, 2011 - 9...   May 10, 2011 - 9:02 AM
- - korban   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 9, 2011 - 7:0...   May 10, 2011 - 6:57 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (korban @ May 10, 2011 - 6:57 ...   May 10, 2011 - 7:41 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 11, 2011 - 12...   May 10, 2011 - 7:55 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 10, 2011 - 8...   May 10, 2011 - 8:00 PM
|- - brenton1919   [/quote] hey delusionz didn't u say it has he ...   May 10, 2011 - 11:51 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 11, 2011 - 4...   May 11, 2011 - 12:37 AM
- - delusionz   You get a kick at 3000 though, i didn't get a ...   May 10, 2011 - 7:15 PM
- - delusionz   i vividly remember the limited days i had with a c...   May 10, 2011 - 7:23 PM
- - delusionz   In my opinion to best use a CT26/T04e-46 hybrid tu...   May 10, 2011 - 7:35 PM
- - Darkchylde   LONG story short it is in but the waste gate is no...   May 10, 2011 - 10:21 PM
- - delusionz   Congrats dude, I knew the difference would be incr...   May 10, 2011 - 11:50 PM
- - Darkchylde   From the look of your profile pick Delusionz you h...   May 11, 2011 - 12:16 AM
- - delusionz   Had to grind the red bit here (on the downpipe not...   May 11, 2011 - 12:40 AM
- - Darkchylde   Correct Delusionz< if I didn't "clock...   May 11, 2011 - 12:49 AM
- - delusionz   Well you wouldn't be able to use the heat shie...   May 11, 2011 - 12:56 AM
- - Darkchylde   With that actuator rod yeah no heat shield. As mu...   May 11, 2011 - 1:21 AM
- - Darkchylde   On a much better note I have new news on my old CT...   May 12, 2011 - 11:02 PM


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