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post May 3, 2011 - 12:14 AM
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Soooooooo, I have had to send my 26 out to be rebuilt and in the process have found that the turbine wheels need to be changed. The shop that has the turbo says that they can't get the JDM ceramic wheels so they will have to use steel ones.

1) how will this affect my spool time/ Lag? (new to forced induction, understand the basics but am still a little fuzzy on the intricacies)

2) anyone know where to get the ceramic wheels?

3) any one have a JDM importers # or a 26 or 20b they can spare?

Thanks for your input and assistance all.
 
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post May 9, 2011 - 5:53 AM
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thanks presure2, the exhaust side on a 26 is slightly larger than a 20b, i was told there was no point doing any machining or changing the wheel though so what's the secret?

and also our ct20b and ct26 turbos already started with a jdm ceramic turbine wheels which should have less lag to begin with

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post May 9, 2011 - 6:51 AM
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[quote name='delusionz' date='May 9, 2011 - 5:53 AM' post='915482']
here some info from one of the guys who make the ats ct27 turbo.......................The CT27 at 20 psi on e85 will get you right about 300whp. However the E85 is going to require some larger injectors and a way to run them. A rom tune could be setup to run E85 using 75-80lb injectors, but the car would be too rich to run on gasoline. A "dual tune" for injectors that size is not really an option either.

The biggest injectors I can tune the rom tune for are 550's plus about 10% more using the ATS FPR. That's only enough fuel to support about 260whp at sea level (or 300whp at your altitude), that's only enough fuel for about 17 psi on a CT27 and high octane pump gas would also support that power level, so the E85 becomes redundant.

If you are planning on a stand-alone ECU, or 100% e85 usage I can come up with a solution.

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here's some more info..Owners with well maintained cars are getting 80k+ miles out of CT27's. The Toyota turbos do not have the large bearings that you are used to with your diesel applications, plus I think the turbo gets accelerated and decelerated more with a gas motor, hence the shorter lifespan.

......just a little bit not really on the spec side tho nobody really knows how they make there turbo's as far as all spec go just some of the key parts the main thing is that a ct27 was made to get up a mr2 up around 300hp to 350hp stock. are engines come with a little more power than the sw20. well yalls 3rd gen and my 4th gen. so just think of the ct27 as a upgraded stock turbo, nothin serious. because the sw20 motor comes with around 225hp 230hp if i am right maybe less and that car is lighter than our celica. so the ct27 is a nice STOCK! upgrade but yes if u want more power better flow upgrading to gt35r turbo would be better.

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- Darkchylde   ct26 turbine wheels, JDM ceramic versus USDM steel   May 3, 2011 - 12:14 AM
- - brenton1919   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 3, 2011 - 12...   May 3, 2011 - 12:22 AM
- - Darkchylde   If I recall correctly the ct27 is a 26 housing wit...   May 3, 2011 - 1:11 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 3, 2011 - 2...   May 3, 2011 - 1:21 AM
- - Darkchylde   does any one have the specs for the ct 27?   May 3, 2011 - 1:55 AM
- - delusionz   ct26 is crap nomatter what they do with it. for s...   May 3, 2011 - 5:44 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 3, 2011 - 6:4...   May 3, 2011 - 1:52 PM
- - Darkchylde   Okay from what I can tell Delusionz, you ARE defin...   May 3, 2011 - 7:43 AM
- - Culpable04   the cost of a CT27 is not worthy. your best bet is...   May 3, 2011 - 7:59 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 3, 2011 - 8...   May 3, 2011 - 8:54 AM
- - delusionz   Yeah I'm the one that's blown a ct20b and ...   May 3, 2011 - 10:54 AM
- - delusionz   I don't know, Someone will try and correct me ...   May 3, 2011 - 5:02 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 3, 2011 - 5:0...   May 3, 2011 - 5:30 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 4, 2011 - 10...   May 4, 2011 - 6:12 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 4, 2011 - 7:1...   May 4, 2011 - 3:24 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 5, 2011 - 8...   May 4, 2011 - 5:02 PM
|- - brenton1919   i have unhooked my turbo off of my engine and kept...   May 4, 2011 - 10:35 PM
- - korban   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 3, 2011 - 12...   May 3, 2011 - 9:01 PM
|- - Darkchylde   QUOTE (korban @ May 3, 2011 - 10:01 ...   May 3, 2011 - 10:16 PM
- - Darkchylde   Some background, I have a 2nd gen 3sgte, e153 tran...   May 3, 2011 - 10:10 PM
- - korban   You seem pretty well setup there, what ECU are you...   May 3, 2011 - 10:25 PM
- - Darkchylde   Not, keen on the ceramic per se, just trying to ge...   May 3, 2011 - 11:17 PM
- - easternpiro1   glad i stumbled onto this thread. I so happen to h...   May 3, 2011 - 11:50 PM
- - Darkchylde   Sure you don't want to part with that 20b brot...   May 4, 2011 - 12:14 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 4, 2011 - 1...   May 4, 2011 - 1:39 AM
- - easternpiro1   lol let me get her up and runnin, and rolling for ...   May 4, 2011 - 1:54 AM
- - Culpable04   ceramic wheel makes for a faster spool, but is wea...   May 4, 2011 - 8:51 AM
- - delusionz   berk pipe and injectors 700hp are you kidding? No...   May 4, 2011 - 6:18 PM
- - Darkchylde   Alright fellas, play nice. I know everyone has th...   May 4, 2011 - 9:29 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 4, 2011 - 9...   May 4, 2011 - 10:41 PM
- - easternpiro1   i like this darkchylde guy classy guy. and delusi...   May 4, 2011 - 10:10 PM
- - Darkchylde   'preciate it 'piro. If you come to a deci...   May 4, 2011 - 10:37 PM
- - Darkchylde   thanks brenton, Turbo found!!!!...   May 4, 2011 - 11:31 PM
- - Darkchylde   Well, found the turbo, and the injectors both shou...   May 6, 2011 - 2:01 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 4, 2011 - 11...   May 6, 2011 - 2:37 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (lagos @ May 6, 2011 - 2:37 PM...   May 6, 2011 - 3:11 PM
- - korban   They should fit, and would be the same flow as fac...   May 6, 2011 - 3:39 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (korban @ May 6, 2011 - 3:39 P...   May 6, 2011 - 3:55 PM
- - presure2   brenton, brent both 2nd and 3rd gen have side feed...   May 8, 2011 - 7:14 AM
|- - easternpiro1   QUOTE (presure2 @ May 8, 2011 - 8:14...   May 8, 2011 - 9:30 AM
|- - brenton1919   Iiiiii yessss I'm sorry guys its all good in t...   May 8, 2011 - 3:11 PM
- - Darkchylde   Thanks Manny, just got a 20B shipped over from PR....   May 8, 2011 - 6:38 PM
- - delusionz   Sorry guys, It was already gone a bit too far and ...   May 8, 2011 - 9:17 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 8, 2011 - 10...   May 8, 2011 - 10:05 PM
- - delusionz   this is what we call an upgraded ct26 or a ct26/t0...   May 8, 2011 - 10:23 PM
- - delusionz   I found another pic of a T04e upgraded CT26 which ...   May 9, 2011 - 4:37 AM
- - delusionz   And here is Darkchyld's CT20b showing 5 blades   May 9, 2011 - 4:43 AM
- - delusionz   CT20b we know is 48mm CT26 is 42mm Mine apparently...   May 9, 2011 - 4:47 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 9, 2011 - 4:4...   May 9, 2011 - 5:38 AM
- - delusionz   And here you can see ATS racing CT27 turbos with 6...   May 9, 2011 - 4:51 AM
- - presure2   the key to the 27 is the exhaust side work. thats ...   May 9, 2011 - 5:50 AM
- - delusionz   thanks presure2, the exhaust side on a 26 is sligh...   May 9, 2011 - 5:53 AM
|- - brenton1919   [quote name='delusionz' date='May 9, 2...   May 9, 2011 - 6:51 AM
- - delusionz   i wanna know what spoolup is like on CT27. Car gi...   May 9, 2011 - 7:04 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 9, 2011 - 7:0...   May 9, 2011 - 7:22 AM
- - delusionz   http://www.mrcontrols.com/primers/turbo.htm QUOTE...   May 10, 2011 - 8:10 AM
- - delusionz   This what ATS do? Clip the USDM steel exhaust whee...   May 10, 2011 - 8:22 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 10, 2011 - 9...   May 10, 2011 - 9:02 AM
- - korban   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 9, 2011 - 7:0...   May 10, 2011 - 6:57 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (korban @ May 10, 2011 - 6:57 ...   May 10, 2011 - 7:41 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 11, 2011 - 12...   May 10, 2011 - 7:55 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 10, 2011 - 8...   May 10, 2011 - 8:00 PM
|- - brenton1919   [/quote] hey delusionz didn't u say it has he ...   May 10, 2011 - 11:51 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 11, 2011 - 4...   May 11, 2011 - 12:37 AM
- - delusionz   You get a kick at 3000 though, i didn't get a ...   May 10, 2011 - 7:15 PM
- - delusionz   i vividly remember the limited days i had with a c...   May 10, 2011 - 7:23 PM
- - delusionz   In my opinion to best use a CT26/T04e-46 hybrid tu...   May 10, 2011 - 7:35 PM
- - Darkchylde   LONG story short it is in but the waste gate is no...   May 10, 2011 - 10:21 PM
- - delusionz   Congrats dude, I knew the difference would be incr...   May 10, 2011 - 11:50 PM
- - Darkchylde   From the look of your profile pick Delusionz you h...   May 11, 2011 - 12:16 AM
- - delusionz   Had to grind the red bit here (on the downpipe not...   May 11, 2011 - 12:40 AM
- - Darkchylde   Correct Delusionz< if I didn't "clock...   May 11, 2011 - 12:49 AM
- - delusionz   Well you wouldn't be able to use the heat shie...   May 11, 2011 - 12:56 AM
- - Darkchylde   With that actuator rod yeah no heat shield. As mu...   May 11, 2011 - 1:21 AM
- - Darkchylde   On a much better note I have new news on my old CT...   May 12, 2011 - 11:02 PM


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