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post May 3, 2011 - 12:14 AM
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Soooooooo, I have had to send my 26 out to be rebuilt and in the process have found that the turbine wheels need to be changed. The shop that has the turbo says that they can't get the JDM ceramic wheels so they will have to use steel ones.

1) how will this affect my spool time/ Lag? (new to forced induction, understand the basics but am still a little fuzzy on the intricacies)

2) anyone know where to get the ceramic wheels?

3) any one have a JDM importers # or a 26 or 20b they can spare?

Thanks for your input and assistance all.
 
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post May 10, 2011 - 8:10 AM
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http://www.mrcontrols.com/primers/turbo.htm

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There are very few options (at least in the USA) for changing the turbine housing or wheel. The single entry CT-26 turbine is easily available, but it does not bolt to the stock MR2 turbo elbow, so serious modifications are required to use it. The most widely available alternative is to clip the turbine wheel. Clipping the wheel does reduce its ability to extract energy from the exhaust, but since there is so much exhaust at the higher RPMs where the stock turbine wheel chokes the engine, clipping is a reasonable choice. Dyno runs with a 12 degree clip have shown ~15 rwhp improvements in peak horsepower and moved the choke point from around 5.5K to 6K RPMs. There is a slight increase in turbo lag, but this can be kept to a minimum if the compressor wheel is kept to a modest size (since there is really no need to go with a large compressor wheel as we determined in the 3S-GTE turbo sizing primer).

At the current time, my suggestion for a twin entry CT-26 upgrade is to add a TO4E-46 trim compressor wheel and perform a 15 degree clip on the turbine wheel. Those who have ceramic turbine wheels (only used in Japanese spec 3S-GTEs) cannot clip due to the brittleness of the material, but the smaller ceramic turbine is already a little less restrictive than the metal one and naturally supports about 10 rwhp more that its unclipped sibling.


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GT2860RS turbine, TiAL mvr44, JE 86.5φ piston, Clutchmasters FX400, APEX P-FC
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Posts in this topic
- Darkchylde   ct26 turbine wheels, JDM ceramic versus USDM steel   May 3, 2011 - 12:14 AM
- - brenton1919   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 3, 2011 - 12...   May 3, 2011 - 12:22 AM
- - Darkchylde   If I recall correctly the ct27 is a 26 housing wit...   May 3, 2011 - 1:11 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 3, 2011 - 2...   May 3, 2011 - 1:21 AM
- - Darkchylde   does any one have the specs for the ct 27?   May 3, 2011 - 1:55 AM
- - delusionz   ct26 is crap nomatter what they do with it. for s...   May 3, 2011 - 5:44 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 3, 2011 - 6:4...   May 3, 2011 - 1:52 PM
- - Darkchylde   Okay from what I can tell Delusionz, you ARE defin...   May 3, 2011 - 7:43 AM
- - Culpable04   the cost of a CT27 is not worthy. your best bet is...   May 3, 2011 - 7:59 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 3, 2011 - 8...   May 3, 2011 - 8:54 AM
- - delusionz   Yeah I'm the one that's blown a ct20b and ...   May 3, 2011 - 10:54 AM
- - delusionz   I don't know, Someone will try and correct me ...   May 3, 2011 - 5:02 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 3, 2011 - 5:0...   May 3, 2011 - 5:30 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 4, 2011 - 10...   May 4, 2011 - 6:12 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 4, 2011 - 7:1...   May 4, 2011 - 3:24 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 5, 2011 - 8...   May 4, 2011 - 5:02 PM
|- - brenton1919   i have unhooked my turbo off of my engine and kept...   May 4, 2011 - 10:35 PM
- - korban   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 3, 2011 - 12...   May 3, 2011 - 9:01 PM
|- - Darkchylde   QUOTE (korban @ May 3, 2011 - 10:01 ...   May 3, 2011 - 10:16 PM
- - Darkchylde   Some background, I have a 2nd gen 3sgte, e153 tran...   May 3, 2011 - 10:10 PM
- - korban   You seem pretty well setup there, what ECU are you...   May 3, 2011 - 10:25 PM
- - Darkchylde   Not, keen on the ceramic per se, just trying to ge...   May 3, 2011 - 11:17 PM
- - easternpiro1   glad i stumbled onto this thread. I so happen to h...   May 3, 2011 - 11:50 PM
- - Darkchylde   Sure you don't want to part with that 20b brot...   May 4, 2011 - 12:14 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 4, 2011 - 1...   May 4, 2011 - 1:39 AM
- - easternpiro1   lol let me get her up and runnin, and rolling for ...   May 4, 2011 - 1:54 AM
- - Culpable04   ceramic wheel makes for a faster spool, but is wea...   May 4, 2011 - 8:51 AM
- - delusionz   berk pipe and injectors 700hp are you kidding? No...   May 4, 2011 - 6:18 PM
- - Darkchylde   Alright fellas, play nice. I know everyone has th...   May 4, 2011 - 9:29 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (Darkchylde @ May 4, 2011 - 9...   May 4, 2011 - 10:41 PM
- - easternpiro1   i like this darkchylde guy classy guy. and delusi...   May 4, 2011 - 10:10 PM
- - Darkchylde   'preciate it 'piro. If you come to a deci...   May 4, 2011 - 10:37 PM
- - Darkchylde   thanks brenton, Turbo found!!!!...   May 4, 2011 - 11:31 PM
- - Darkchylde   Well, found the turbo, and the injectors both shou...   May 6, 2011 - 2:01 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 4, 2011 - 11...   May 6, 2011 - 2:37 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (lagos @ May 6, 2011 - 2:37 PM...   May 6, 2011 - 3:11 PM
- - korban   They should fit, and would be the same flow as fac...   May 6, 2011 - 3:39 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (korban @ May 6, 2011 - 3:39 P...   May 6, 2011 - 3:55 PM
- - presure2   brenton, brent both 2nd and 3rd gen have side feed...   May 8, 2011 - 7:14 AM
|- - easternpiro1   QUOTE (presure2 @ May 8, 2011 - 8:14...   May 8, 2011 - 9:30 AM
|- - brenton1919   Iiiiii yessss I'm sorry guys its all good in t...   May 8, 2011 - 3:11 PM
- - Darkchylde   Thanks Manny, just got a 20B shipped over from PR....   May 8, 2011 - 6:38 PM
- - delusionz   Sorry guys, It was already gone a bit too far and ...   May 8, 2011 - 9:17 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 8, 2011 - 10...   May 8, 2011 - 10:05 PM
- - delusionz   this is what we call an upgraded ct26 or a ct26/t0...   May 8, 2011 - 10:23 PM
- - delusionz   I found another pic of a T04e upgraded CT26 which ...   May 9, 2011 - 4:37 AM
- - delusionz   And here is Darkchyld's CT20b showing 5 blades   May 9, 2011 - 4:43 AM
- - delusionz   CT20b we know is 48mm CT26 is 42mm Mine apparently...   May 9, 2011 - 4:47 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 9, 2011 - 4:4...   May 9, 2011 - 5:38 AM
- - delusionz   And here you can see ATS racing CT27 turbos with 6...   May 9, 2011 - 4:51 AM
- - presure2   the key to the 27 is the exhaust side work. thats ...   May 9, 2011 - 5:50 AM
- - delusionz   thanks presure2, the exhaust side on a 26 is sligh...   May 9, 2011 - 5:53 AM
|- - brenton1919   [quote name='delusionz' date='May 9, 2...   May 9, 2011 - 6:51 AM
- - delusionz   i wanna know what spoolup is like on CT27. Car gi...   May 9, 2011 - 7:04 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 9, 2011 - 7:0...   May 9, 2011 - 7:22 AM
- - delusionz   http://www.mrcontrols.com/primers/turbo.htm QUOTE...   May 10, 2011 - 8:10 AM
- - delusionz   This what ATS do? Clip the USDM steel exhaust whee...   May 10, 2011 - 8:22 AM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 10, 2011 - 9...   May 10, 2011 - 9:02 AM
- - korban   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 9, 2011 - 7:0...   May 10, 2011 - 6:57 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (korban @ May 10, 2011 - 6:57 ...   May 10, 2011 - 7:41 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 11, 2011 - 12...   May 10, 2011 - 7:55 PM
|- - brenton1919   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 10, 2011 - 8...   May 10, 2011 - 8:00 PM
|- - brenton1919   [/quote] hey delusionz didn't u say it has he ...   May 10, 2011 - 11:51 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (brenton1919 @ May 11, 2011 - 4...   May 11, 2011 - 12:37 AM
- - delusionz   You get a kick at 3000 though, i didn't get a ...   May 10, 2011 - 7:15 PM
- - delusionz   i vividly remember the limited days i had with a c...   May 10, 2011 - 7:23 PM
- - delusionz   In my opinion to best use a CT26/T04e-46 hybrid tu...   May 10, 2011 - 7:35 PM
- - Darkchylde   LONG story short it is in but the waste gate is no...   May 10, 2011 - 10:21 PM
- - delusionz   Congrats dude, I knew the difference would be incr...   May 10, 2011 - 11:50 PM
- - Darkchylde   From the look of your profile pick Delusionz you h...   May 11, 2011 - 12:16 AM
- - delusionz   Had to grind the red bit here (on the downpipe not...   May 11, 2011 - 12:40 AM
- - Darkchylde   Correct Delusionz< if I didn't "clock...   May 11, 2011 - 12:49 AM
- - delusionz   Well you wouldn't be able to use the heat shie...   May 11, 2011 - 12:56 AM
- - Darkchylde   With that actuator rod yeah no heat shield. As mu...   May 11, 2011 - 1:21 AM
- - Darkchylde   On a much better note I have new news on my old CT...   May 12, 2011 - 11:02 PM


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