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post Oct 18, 2011 - 9:20 PM
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Hey guys, I'm kinda new here and not sure if this is the right place to post this.

I did a search but couldn't find the specific answers I wanted so I thought i'd ask.
I live in Sydney Aust and the fuels available to us are: E10(10% ethanol) 91 octane, and regular 95 and 98 unleaded.
I recently bought a ST204 ZR which is the equivalent to the American GT. It runs the 5S-FE.
The guy I bought it from told me to steer clear of the E10 as it will ruin the engine. As my wallet isn't that deep I decided to give the cheaper E10 a go.
After about a month and a half of running the E10(i'm assuming the previous owner used 95) i'm beginning to hear a noise almost like tapping when I rev the engine above 3k rpm and just let it decrease naturally. As it never made this noise before, could I be right in assuming that the E10 is doing something and possibly ruining the engine? The owners manual states that 91 octane is as low as you can go but it doesn't say anything about Ethanol.

Thanks in advance,

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post Oct 19, 2011 - 3:21 PM
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E10 burns a little quicker than regular fuel but otherwise it's harmless. The 5S isn't a performance engine, so just use whatever fuel is cheapest and disregard what the previous owner told you. The noise probably isn't anything big, it could be a noise you never noticed before and now that you've heard it, it's easily distinguishable. Or, as Manny said, it could be something very simple.


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post Oct 19, 2011 - 4:39 PM
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QUOTE (richee3 @ Oct 19, 2011 - 4:21 PM) *
E10 burns a little quicker than regular fuel but otherwise it's harmless. The 5S isn't a performance engine, so just use whatever fuel is cheapest and disregard what the previous owner told you. The noise probably isn't anything big, it could be a noise you never noticed before and now that you've heard it, it's easily distinguishable. Or, as Manny said, it could be something very simple.

I would never run "the cheapest gas" in my car, but I guess that's personal preference. I have noticed a difference in performance when it comes to octane. My car likes mid-grade and nothing less. Hess sells "E10" in an 89, which is what I run. Running ****ty fuel and ****ty plugs results in bad cats and premature death of oxygen sensors. Also, it may not be a performance engine, but it is performing higher than it would in a Camry, therefore it should be taken care of better. Your same 5S-FE in a Camry never reaches the RPM's ours does in the Celica because the transmission, unless you smash on the gas, doesn't do it. There is a reason the Camry takes 5W30 oil weight from the factory and the Celica takes 10W30. It has to be protected against thermal breakdown. Yes, our cars are tuned and tweaked by Japan to run at the **** octane we have here, but it doesn't mean that we should accept **** in our cars.

E10 or 10% ethanol will corrode your pump and eat away at the inside of your injectors. It takes time, but it does happen. The best way to avoid damage in the states is to run an ethanol treatment every so often. It protects against the buildup of corrosion and cleans out any possible corrosion that there may be.

Just wait until the government raises the ethanol to 15%.

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Do not use the ethanol based gas if you can help it. It will ultimately damage your car and the fuel system.

This post has been edited by RabidTRD: Oct 19, 2011 - 4:55 PM


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Posts in this topic
- UVZ164   5S-FE fuel?   Oct 18, 2011 - 9:20 PM
- - Rav4Race   Ethanol normally improves your octane rating. More...   Oct 19, 2011 - 1:36 AM
- - UVZ164   The noise only occurs when i am off throttle after...   Oct 19, 2011 - 5:49 AM
- - stephen_lee   E10 wont cause an issue. Here in the US 99% of the...   Oct 19, 2011 - 8:47 AM
- - presure2   ^^agreed. We've been running e10 in the states...   Oct 19, 2011 - 11:16 AM
- - jakesne   I've replaced fuel pumps on a couple different...   Oct 19, 2011 - 12:17 PM
- - richee3   E10 burns a little quicker than regular fuel but o...   Oct 19, 2011 - 3:21 PM
|- - RabidTRD   QUOTE (richee3 @ Oct 19, 2011 - 4:21...   Oct 19, 2011 - 4:39 PM
|- - mandrek   QUOTE (RabidTRD @ Oct 19, 2011 - 5:3...   Oct 20, 2011 - 6:34 PM
- - presure2   personally, i dont believe that for a second.   Oct 19, 2011 - 5:11 PM
- - RabidTRD   Keep in mind that 10% ethanol is "safe....   Oct 19, 2011 - 5:22 PM
- - Galcobar   There's a difference between cheap fuel, which...   Oct 19, 2011 - 6:54 PM
- - richee3   I lol at the threads and the general misinformatio...   Oct 20, 2011 - 6:54 PM
- - mandrek   in sorry if i come accross like an ass here, im no...   Oct 20, 2011 - 7:02 PM
- - ricochet1490   QUOTE (RabidTRD @ Oct 19, 2011 - 5:3...   Oct 20, 2011 - 10:49 PM
- - k-weaver   There is a lot of good information in this post in...   Oct 21, 2011 - 10:52 AM
- - stephen_lee   I also run the highest grade too, because I advanc...   Oct 21, 2011 - 3:56 PM
- - UVZ164   Thanks alot guys for the info, i think ill stick w...   Oct 21, 2011 - 6:39 PM
- - UVZ164   Tried to take a vid and soundclip but its not noti...   Oct 22, 2011 - 10:43 PM


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