 5s-fe to 3s-ge swap??? |
 Feb 10, 2012 - 12:04 AM
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Hi everyone im a new member and im glad to see i have finally found some true celica fans from around the world
 ..... I got a few questions that i need to solve,I have a usdm celica gt automatic everybody knows it comes with the 5s-fe engine but i always wanted more power so ive been looking into buying a 3s-ge its the ideal engine for me i have found a couple of them on ebay im mostly looking for automatics. but all the ones ive found have the ecu wireing harness cut off do u guys no of anybody or anywhere that sells the harness or maybe somewhere i can get a 3sge with the ecu and its harness together i dont want to go through the pain of connecting all those cables. ohh and one last thing are there parts outhere for this engine? thank you |
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Feb 13, 2012 - 2:48 PM
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Enthusiast  Joined Sep 27, '10 From pittsburgh Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
^ I agree with everything you said minus the 3sge being good for a turbo. Compression ratio is too high.
The 3sge swap is a great upgrade for a dieing 5sfe. More power, for about the same price. -------------------- -93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq
-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD -10 F150 Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling. |
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Feb 13, 2012 - 3:17 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 18, '06 From Calgary, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 37 (100%) |
QUOTE (czwalga @ Feb 13, 2012 - 12:48 PM)  ^ I agree with everything you said minus the 3sge being good for a turbo. Compression ratio is too high. The 3sge swap is a great upgrade for a dieing 5sfe. More power, for about the same price. Well - I wouldn't be running full boost if I were to eventually move to turbo. But I've seen plenty of successful High Compression/Low Boost set ups that work. 
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Feb 13, 2012 - 5:03 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '10 From pittsburgh Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
QUOTE (KAOS @ Feb 13, 2012 - 3:17 PM) QUOTE (czwalga @ Feb 13, 2012 - 12:48 PM) ^ I agree with everything you said minus the 3sge being good for a turbo. Compression ratio is too high. The 3sge swap is a great upgrade for a dieing 5sfe. More power, for about the same price. Well - I wouldn't be running full boost if I were to eventually move to turbo. But I've seen plenty of successful High Compression/Low Boost set ups that work. How many were on stock internal components? You'd be playing with fire on the stock stuff. I have a pretty high c/r on the rx7, and run a decent amount of boost, but the engine itself cost about the same as my entire rally car. -------------------- -93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq
-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD -10 F150 Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling. |
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Feb 13, 2012 - 5:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 18, '06 From Calgary, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 37 (100%) |
QUOTE (czwalga @ Feb 13, 2012 - 3:03 PM) QUOTE (KAOS @ Feb 13, 2012 - 3:17 PM) QUOTE (czwalga @ Feb 13, 2012 - 12:48 PM) ^ I agree with everything you said minus the 3sge being good for a turbo. Compression ratio is too high. The 3sge swap is a great upgrade for a dieing 5sfe. More power, for about the same price. Well - I wouldn't be running full boost if I were to eventually move to turbo. But I've seen plenty of successful High Compression/Low Boost set ups that work. How many were on stock internal components? You'd be playing with fire on the stock stuff. I have a pretty high c/r on the rx7, and run a decent amount of boost, but the engine itself cost about the same as my entire rally car. I have a whack of articles on my home PC about this, but this is one off my work PC: http://www.mr2.com/forums/non-turbo-engine...html#post630033 Granted its an MR2 - and he has a lot invested, but running stock internals.  I haven't read through it lately but I think he was running crazy PSI on that set up too...
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Feb 13, 2012 - 5:20 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '10 From pittsburgh Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
QUOTE (KAOS @ Feb 13, 2012 - 6:09 PM) QUOTE (czwalga @ Feb 13, 2012 - 3:03 PM) QUOTE (KAOS @ Feb 13, 2012 - 3:17 PM) QUOTE (czwalga @ Feb 13, 2012 - 12:48 PM) ^ I agree with everything you said minus the 3sge being good for a turbo. Compression ratio is too high. The 3sge swap is a great upgrade for a dieing 5sfe. More power, for about the same price. Well - I wouldn't be running full boost if I were to eventually move to turbo. But I've seen plenty of successful High Compression/Low Boost set ups that work. How many were on stock internal components? You'd be playing with fire on the stock stuff. I have a pretty high c/r on the rx7, and run a decent amount of boost, but the engine itself cost about the same as my entire rally car. I have a whack of articles on my home PC about this, but this is one off my work PC: http://www.mr2.com/forums/non-turbo-engine...html#post630033 Granted its an MR2 - and he has a lot invested, but running stock internals. I haven't read through it lately but I think he was running crazy PSI on that set up too...In less than a year the 3sge internals were out and he was using a 3sgte bottom end. There's a reason for that. It appears 16 psi it croaked, and says 14 psi would be a safe limit, but he doesnt know that for sure. Like I said playing with fire. With that C/R I probably wouldnt run more than 6 psi... if I was afraid of blowing it up. I'm sure you can find people running high boost on stock internal engines, but that doesnt make it the norm or reliable. -------------------- -93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq
-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD -10 F150 Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling. |
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Feb 13, 2012 - 5:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 18, '06 From Calgary, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 37 (100%) |
QUOTE (czwalga @ Feb 13, 2012 - 3:20 PM) In less than a year the 3sge internals were out and he was using a 3sgte bottom end. There's a reason for that. It appears 16 psi it croaked, and says 14 psi would be a safe limit, but he doesnt know that for sure. Like I said playing with fire. With that C/R I probably wouldnt run more than 6 psi... if I was afraid of blowing it up. I'm sure you can find people running high boost on stock internal engines, but that doesnt make it the norm or reliable. Its probably a safe bet to lower the C/R - but he was also looking to make more HP. I wasn't planning on running anything over 8 PSI on stock internals; I agree with you completely about it not being reliable, and I never said it was.  I just wanna tinker with a lil' bit o' boost. I just know that I will have some options in the future once my 3SGE swap is complete. I'm keeping it NA for a while. 
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dyno305 5s-fe to 3s-ge swap??? Feb 10, 2012 - 12:04 AM
Smaay read the stickys. a 3S-GE is not an engine to use ... Feb 10, 2012 - 1:08 AM
KAOS QUOTE (Smaay @ Feb 9, 2012 - 11:08 P... Feb 10, 2012 - 2:34 PM
dyno305 QUOTE (KAOS @ Feb 10, 2012 - 2:34 PM... Feb 10, 2012 - 3:10 PM czwalga QUOTE (Smaay @ Feb 10, 2012 - 1:08 A... Feb 10, 2012 - 5:19 PM KAOS QUOTE (czwalga @ Feb 10, 2012 - 3:19... Feb 10, 2012 - 10:35 PM k-weaver If you've got the funds to swap a 3S-GE i... Feb 10, 2012 - 2:19 PM dyno305 does anyone know where i can buy these engines aut... Feb 10, 2012 - 3:38 PM richee3 At the top of each forum, you'll see a thread ... Feb 10, 2012 - 4:31 PM m2736185 500-700 for a 3sge...where??? Feb 11, 2012 - 1:01 AM czwalga QUOTE (m2736185 @ Feb 11, 2012 - 1:0... Feb 11, 2012 - 5:27 PM richee3 You can have Dr. Tweak or mr220v make you a new ha... Feb 11, 2012 - 2:33 PM dyno305 QUOTE (richee3 @ Feb 11, 2012 - 3:33... Feb 11, 2012 - 2:59 PM dyno305 wat about the pedals do i have to make that hole f... Feb 11, 2012 - 3:42 PM richee3 Start here: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?sh... Feb 11, 2012 - 3:47 PM dyno305 QUOTE (richee3 @ Feb 11, 2012 - 3:47... Feb 11, 2012 - 3:57 PM richee3 Projectors with HID's will definitely blind on... Feb 11, 2012 - 4:26 PM dyno305 QUOTE (richee3 @ Feb 11, 2012 - 5:26... Feb 12, 2012 - 5:53 PM m2736185 Its proly from a gt-s. The beams usually goes for ... Feb 12, 2012 - 8:19 PM bnr32celica QUOTE (m2736185 @ Feb 12, 2012 - 9:1... Feb 12, 2012 - 11:00 PM Rusty not 100% true
a Gen 3 3S-GE is from 1994 - 1997, a... Feb 12, 2012 - 11:22 PM bnr32celica QUOTE (Rusty @ Feb 13, 2012 - 12:22 ... Feb 13, 2012 - 9:12 AM richee3 The 3S is smaller displacement and higher compress... Feb 13, 2012 - 11:28 AM richee3 Celica projector cutoff:
As you can see, the li... Feb 13, 2012 - 1:00 PM Smaay what makes you think you have to go AWD with a 3S-... Feb 13, 2012 - 2:11 PM KAOS QUOTE (Smaay @ Feb 13, 2012 - 12:11 ... Feb 13, 2012 - 2:28 PM KAOS Scratch that - I re-read it and it sounds like he... Feb 13, 2012 - 5:16 PM m2736185 This one has the auto ecu http://www.ebay.com/itm/... Feb 13, 2012 - 8:36 PM dyno305 QUOTE (m2736185 @ Feb 13, 2012 - 9:3... Feb 14, 2012 - 11:48 PM njccmd2002 i paid 2 grand for mine, and to swap invested anot... Feb 15, 2012 - 12:08 AM m2736185 IMO 3 grand might as well save up a little more fo... Feb 15, 2012 - 1:44 AM richee3 Wiring for the BEAMS is easy. Feb 15, 2012 - 6:46 AM ricochet1490 Or you can not deal with the wiring and do it the ... Feb 15, 2012 - 12:59 PM ricochet1490 On a side note, I tend to agree with Czwalga and K... Feb 15, 2012 - 1:30 PM dyno305 QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Feb 15, 2012 - 2... Feb 19, 2012 - 7:15 PM Rusty so which gen 3s-ge would be better??
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