 7A-FE Compression Ratio, Looking at changing the CR of my 7afe when I rebuild. |
 Mar 30, 2012 - 12:00 AM
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Hey all, I'm trying to decide what to do with my 7AFE (have to take it apart due to a rod knock anyway). I've kicked around a few ideas (or maybe a lot
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1994 Celica ST 5-speed "King Cobra II" -- 2011-???? |
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Apr 2, 2012 - 2:07 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 15, '12 From Wrightstown, NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
My initial thoughts were to replace the 7AFE pistons with 4AGE pistons, something along these lines:
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/134-6th-...-fe-engine.html However, I've been struggling to find definitive info on piston dimensions. I already know the bore/stroke and CR of the stock 7AFE's and 4AGE's, and some other info from various places. 7AFE pistons: 12cc dish. Head gaskets - 4AFE: 1.4mm; 7AFE: 0.7mm; 4AGE: 1.2mm. Head CC - 4AGE: ~36cc; 4AFE (presumably close to 7AFE): ~31cc. Also allegedly 7AFE's piston deck clearance is 0.6mm. What I'm hoping to find out is the dish or dome cc of the various 4AGE and 4AFE pistons. I have the feeling that even blue-top pistons (9.4:1 CR in 4AGE context) may result in too high of a CR in the 7AFE. I'm also figuring that if I end up with a >10.5:1 CR I'd almost definitely need to use higher octane (possibly before that threshold, but I'm having trouble finding info on that in general). Anyone have any thoughts? -------------------- 1989 Celica ST Automatic "King Cobra" -- 2005-2006
1994 Celica ST 5-speed "King Cobra II" -- 2011-???? |
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PaukST 7A-FE Compression Ratio Mar 30, 2012 - 12:00 AM
Bitter 9.5:1
Will need cams too
Tune
Higher octane Mar 30, 2012 - 7:31 AM Smaay dont bother trying to drop in 4A parts. its not wo... Apr 2, 2012 - 11:51 AM PaukST Hm, I guess it may just be the wrong route to go f... Apr 2, 2012 - 1:58 PM stephen_lee import performance parts . net sell "HP KITS... Apr 3, 2012 - 2:27 PM Smaay the problem is you have a 7A-FE, that was the econ... Apr 4, 2012 - 8:58 AM PaukST QUOTE (Smaay @ Apr 4, 2012 - 9:58 AM... Apr 4, 2012 - 11:33 PM Smaay did you see the thread i made in the stickys? its ... Apr 5, 2012 - 9:24 AM Special_Edy My local import machine shop charges $35 to d... Apr 5, 2012 - 12:37 PM
mandrek QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Apr 5, 2012 - 1... Apr 5, 2012 - 10:17 PM Special_Edy QUOTE (mandrek @ Apr 5, 2012 - 10:17... Apr 6, 2012 - 11:47 AM PaukST As far as I can tell, it would only take 3cc less ... Apr 5, 2012 - 5:38 PM Special_Edy Just have it decked. Do the stock rebuild.
You are... Apr 5, 2012 - 7:43 PM richee3 QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Apr 5, 2012 - 7... Apr 5, 2012 - 8:00 PM Bitter timing advance is similar to a compression increas... Apr 5, 2012 - 9:41 PM PaukST Given what Smaay mentioned about the one he tore d... Apr 5, 2012 - 10:36 PM PaukST It looks like reducing the chamber height by ~ .5m... Apr 6, 2012 - 11:35 PM Special_Edy QUOTE (PaukST @ Apr 6, 2012 - 11:35 ... Apr 7, 2012 - 12:50 AM celica74 Let us know what you decide to do, the progress an... Apr 20, 2012 - 11:01 AM Special_Edy QUOTE (celica74 @ Apr 20, 2012 - 11... Apr 20, 2012 - 11:23 AM celica74 QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Apr 20, 2012 - 12... Apr 20, 2012 - 2:41 PM Bitter with 15 degrees total base advance (+5 from stock)... Apr 21, 2012 - 1:45 PM celica74 QUOTE (Bitter @ Apr 21, 2012 - 1:45 ... Apr 22, 2012 - 9:10 PM Special_Edy Well and besides the price of higher octane, lower... Apr 21, 2012 - 2:13 PM Bitter I think it'll turn all the way to 25 but the g... Apr 22, 2012 - 9:29 PM Special_Edy QUOTE (Bitter @ Apr 22, 2012 - 9:29 ... Apr 23, 2012 - 1:35 AM celica74 QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Apr 23, 2012 - 2... Apr 23, 2012 - 7:16 AM celica74 QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Apr 23, 2012 - 2... Apr 23, 2012 - 7:16 AM Bitter I found 15 deg gave me more low end actually, ther... Apr 23, 2012 - 7:34 AM celica74 QUOTE (Bitter @ Apr 23, 2012 - 7:34 ... Apr 23, 2012 - 8:45 PM Bitter What year is yours? I never heard knock, I monitor... Apr 23, 2012 - 8:58 PM celica74 QUOTE (Bitter @ Apr 23, 2012 - 8:58 ... Apr 23, 2012 - 9:48 PM celica74 QUOTE (Bitter @ Apr 23, 2012 - 9:58 ... Apr 25, 2012 - 7:31 AM Bitter http://www.contactmagazine.com/Issue54/EngineBasic... Apr 23, 2012 - 9:09 PM Bitter Did you set the base timing correctly and check wi... Apr 23, 2012 - 10:44 PM mandrek umm IIRC correctly its TE1 and E1, in the dieg por... Apr 24, 2012 - 12:19 PM Special_Edy Another thing to add- make sure your idle is 650-7... Apr 24, 2012 - 1:21 PM mandrek indeed, and assuming that the tension on the throt... Apr 24, 2012 - 1:38 PM celica74 Ha more things to do then i thought. Ive been driv... Apr 24, 2012 - 1:54 PM Bitter But did you have the pins jumped on a hot engine w... Apr 24, 2012 - 9:39 PM celica74 QUOTE (Bitter @ Apr 24, 2012 - 10:39... Apr 24, 2012 - 9:46 PM Bitter Fine, but were the pins jumped? Apr 24, 2012 - 10:59 PM celica74 QUOTE (Bitter @ Apr 24, 2012 - 10:59... Apr 25, 2012 - 12:01 AM Bitter QUOTE (celica74 @ Apr 25, 2012 - 12... Apr 25, 2012 - 7:17 AM PaukST Got my engine fully apart, I'll put up pics or... May 1, 2012 - 12:18 AM celica74 QUOTE (PaukST @ May 1, 2012 - 1:18 A... May 1, 2012 - 2:13 PM Special_Edy I think he meant having the block or heads milled.... May 1, 2012 - 2:28 PM PaukST QUOTE (Special_Edy @ May 1, 2012 - 3... May 1, 2012 - 10:10 PM mandrek there are no ARP bolts/studs that fit the 7afe sto... May 1, 2012 - 10:42 PM celica74 QUOTE (mandrek @ May 1, 2012 - 10:42... May 1, 2012 - 11:58 PM PaukST QUOTE (mandrek @ May 1, 2012 - 11:42... May 3, 2012 - 5:37 PM Special_Edy QUOTE (PaukST @ May 3, 2012 - 5:37 P... May 4, 2012 - 12:47 PM mandrek CAN you? yes. its is worth it? NO... sure you c... May 4, 2012 - 12:35 PM richee3 ^^ I love inline engines May 4, 2012 - 1:16 PM Special_Edy QUOTE (richee3 @ May 4, 2012 - 1:16 ... May 4, 2012 - 2:02 PM PaukST QUOTE (mandrek @ May 4, 2012 - 1:35 ... May 4, 2012 - 4:59 PM Special_Edy Id replace the oil pump while you have it apart. S... May 4, 2012 - 6:53 PM |
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