How big should i make my exhaust piping?, 95 Celica ST Options

[WhipCreamCelica]

I have an invidia n1 exhaust muffler on stock piping, i was planning on going to a muffler shop and getting my catback piping in 2.5", and my down tube for my headers in 2", would these measurements be correct for my 95 st??? thank you, i need to know, i also have stock headers right now,

[hatchy_gt-s]

Wondering the same myself. Was planning on having exhaust redone from behind the second O2 senor and back. Remove cat, resonator, and stock muffler and stay with the stock 2" diameter and put a Magnaflow muffler on. Provided aren't going to do excessive modding to the engine I'd think 2" would be enough. I'm personally afraid of going too big, and having a bad sound. Hopefully someone that's been there and done that, can chime in.

I wouldnt remove your cat, its pointless your not putting out the power that requires a cat removal. A resonator doesn't restrict anything it just reduces exhaust noise.

My dd 95 corolla has the 7afe with intake and obx header and i did all the piping from the header to the muffler 2.5 and the car moves great and sound's fantastic.

It's the mod effect that you think the car is faster but it's not really. You cant feel or notice a hp gain from an exhaust because all you're doing is freeing up the path, you're not intaking more air, which means you're not pushing anymore out.

A car works like a vacuum, you have X amount coming in and X amount coming out, it doesn't matter how large the path is you can only push out as much as you're taking in.

This post has been edited by hatchy_gt-s: Apr 6, 2012 - 1:49 PM

[6gcpr]

Wondering the same myself. Was planning on having exhaust redone from behind the second O2 senor and back. Remove cat, resonator, and stock muffler and stay with the stock 2" diameter and put a Magnaflow muffler on. Provided aren't going to do excessive modding to the engine I'd think 2" would be enough. I'm personally afraid of going too big, and having a bad sound. Hopefully someone that's been there and done that, can chime in.

I wouldnt remove your cat, its pointless your not putting out the power that requires a cat removal. A resonator doesn't restrict anything it just reduces exhaust noise.

My dd 95 corolla has the 7afe with intake and obx header and i did all the piping from the header to the muffler 2.5 and the car moves great and sound's fantastic.

It's the mod effect that you think the car is faster but it's not really. You cant feel or notice a hp gain from an exhaust because all you're doing is freeing up the path, you're not intaking more air, which means you're not pushing anymore out.

A car works like a vacuum, you have X amount coming in and X amount coming out, it doesn't matter how large the path is you can only push out as much as you're taking in.

Well, i personally feel the car more light and nimble than before. I know i gain almost nothing of hp but i don't feel the car being held back as much which is what everyone has told would happen with this setup including my mechanic whom i've known for 12 years.

[hatchy_gt-s]

Wondering the same myself. Was planning on having exhaust redone from behind the second O2 senor and back. Remove cat, resonator, and stock muffler and stay with the stock 2" diameter and put a Magnaflow muffler on. Provided aren't going to do excessive modding to the engine I'd think 2" would be enough. I'm personally afraid of going too big, and having a bad sound. Hopefully someone that's been there and done that, can chime in.

I wouldnt remove your cat, its pointless your not putting out the power that requires a cat removal. A resonator doesn't restrict anything it just reduces exhaust noise.

My dd 95 corolla has the 7afe with intake and obx header and i did all the piping from the header to the muffler 2.5 and the car moves great and sound's fantastic.

It's the mod effect that you think the car is faster but it's not really. You cant feel or notice a hp gain from an exhaust because all you're doing is freeing up the path, you're not intaking more air, which means you're not pushing anymore out.

A car works like a vacuum, you have X amount coming in and X amount coming out, it doesn't matter how large the path is you can only push out as much as you're taking in.

Well, i personally feel the car more light and nimble than before. I know i gain almost nothing of hp but i don't feel the car being held back as much which is what everyone has told would happen with this setup including my mechanic whom i've known for 12 years.

Im sorry I should have been more clear I was talking the diff between a 2in(recommended) exhaust and a 2.5in. Yes, the car will have more response when changing from stock because you in crease the air flow.

[Special_Edy]

Wondering the same myself. Was planning on having exhaust redone from behind the second O2 senor and back. Remove cat, resonator, and stock muffler and stay with the stock 2" diameter and put a Magnaflow muffler on. Provided aren't going to do excessive modding to the engine I'd think 2" would be enough. I'm personally afraid of going too big, and having a bad sound. Hopefully someone that's been there and done that, can chime in.

I wouldnt remove your cat, its pointless your not putting out the power that requires a cat removal. A resonator doesn't restrict anything it just reduces exhaust noise.

My dd 95 corolla has the 7afe with intake and obx header and i did all the piping from the header to the muffler 2.5 and the car moves great and sound's fantastic.

It's the mod effect that you think the car is faster but it's not really. You cant feel or notice a hp gain from an exhaust because all you're doing is freeing up the path, you're not intaking more air, which means you're not pushing anymore out.

A car works like a vacuum, you have X amount coming in and X amount coming out, it doesn't matter how large the path is you can only push out as much as you're taking in.

Well, i personally feel the car more light and nimble than before. I know i gain almost nothing of hp but i don't feel the car being held back as much which is what everyone has told would happen with this setup including my mechanic whom i've known for 12 years.

Im sorry I should have been more clear I was talking the diff between a 2in(recommended) exhaust and a 2.5in. Yes, the car will have more response when changing from stock because you in crease the air flow.

The key here is to not go too big. One of the most important functions of the exhaust is to suck air out of the cylinder. Too small and the exhaust creates backpressure which is bad but a small exhaust also creates high velocity airflow which is good. Too large an exhaust creates minimal backpressure which is good but also lowers the speed the exhaust travels through the pipes, which is bad.
Headers will give you the greatest performance boost because the pulses of exhaust gas will actually create a low pressure vacuum on the exhaust valves and thus help increase the flow of your cylinder head

The trick to the full exhaust system will be to find a pipe diameter that has the best balance of low backpressure vs high velocity flow. This is why minimizing the amount of bends and using mandrel bent tubing is so important because they will kill your exhaust's potential to help make power. Look into straightflow mufflers too, stock mufflers with all their baffles inside create some backpressure.

One last tidbit I'll leave you with is that your entire exhaust system is tuned to a specific frequency. The headers/manifold will have a specific harmonic(of exhaust pulses) they are tuned to based on primary pipe length and diameter. Also the muffler will be built with a specific rpm in mind which will be affected by how many cylinders are feeding it. You should do research on exhaust components before you buy them to determine what rpms they will be most effective at in regards to performance and noise reduction. (maybe highway speed is where you want maximum effectiveness at, or maybe close to redline. Its up to you.)