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post May 10, 2012 - 8:47 PM
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I'll be running a 3" high flow cat with 2.5 reducers on each side, I just noticed that the stock Gen III 3sgte downpipe has a cat built into it. I know some downpipes will kill drill bits and others you can pound out with a hammer if you spend a few hours..lol. I want to hollow it out though, are the downpipe internals hard to gut?


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95 GT conv. project car: Manual, Gen III 3sgte, JN pisons, Eagle rods, overbore, crank knife-edged, crank scraper, ARP head/main/flywheel, Autronic EMS, Haltech Dual Wideband O2 controller, Audi 1.8T individual coils, FMIC and SSQV BOV, 3" downpipe, 3" ultra-high-flow cat, 2.5" Borla muffler, +other
01 S2000: FMIC, Haltech EMS, Haltech wideband, 570cc inj, forged pistons/rods, sleeved block, 5 angle valve job, ported and polished
02 R6, all stock, except for braided stainless brake lines, frame sliders, and adjustable brake/clutch leve
 
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post May 13, 2012 - 7:03 PM
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delusionz and pressure2,
I just read your comments and responded quickly before I left this morning. In earlier posts I wasn't saying it was better than a "well crafted" downpipe. So to recap this thread a little...Someone had mentioned buying a cheap ebay one, which was when I started talking about how they dissipate too much heat and add resistance as exhaust expands and slows down. The ones I was talking down about were cheap ebay ones, I didn't say my stock hollowed out one would be better than a well-crafted one, I said it would be as good as a real one with a 2.75 outlet. Pressure2 mentioned getting a real one for $60-$85, which I disagree with because the cheaper ones are cheaply made, it's pretty hard to find a nice one for that price. Anyway, when I looked carefully at the inside yesterday I saw the bends and different size diameters which sucks on performance.. and I actually can't find my blitz DP right now, which also sucks, so now I'm stuck with the factory one until the find the blitz upper. I thought the factory DP would be smoother and straighter inside than what it actually is.

Anyone can bend some metal to spec and put some flanges on it. They are usually chrome or thin stainless and I wouldn't put it on my car unless it was free. The "well crafted" ones that you mentioned will be thick stainless or titanium, maybe even cast which aren't as popular. These are the ones that hold in heat better than the cheap ones. Heat wrapping a cheap ebay DP would probably work out great, but on that note, heat wrapping your whole exhaust would work out even better. A ton of velocity is lost as the heat is lost, and also as pipe diameters change from being large to small. Bernoulli's principle starts to be factored in, as diameters change from small to large the velocity drops and as it changes from large to small the velocity increases. The more times we allow exhaust to expand and contract in the exhaust system the more energy is lost. I've done extensive study on exhaust flow, thermodynamics, and how the laws of physics affect our exhaust systems, I almost designed exhaust systems for a local exhaust place, that's actually the area of performance that I've been most fascinated with and wanted a job in for a while. I would be more than happy to write up an article with references if I have enough time if someone would pin it, or verify it first before it's pinned.


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95 GT conv. project car: Manual, Gen III 3sgte, JN pisons, Eagle rods, overbore, crank knife-edged, crank scraper, ARP head/main/flywheel, Autronic EMS, Haltech Dual Wideband O2 controller, Audi 1.8T individual coils, FMIC and SSQV BOV, 3" downpipe, 3" ultra-high-flow cat, 2.5" Borla muffler, +other
01 S2000: FMIC, Haltech EMS, Haltech wideband, 570cc inj, forged pistons/rods, sleeved block, 5 angle valve job, ported and polished
02 R6, all stock, except for braided stainless brake lines, frame sliders, and adjustable brake/clutch leve

Posts in this topic
- match220   anyone ever hollow out their downpipe?   May 10, 2012 - 8:47 PM
- - Jazon256   Yeah, I'd be really interested if anyone's...   May 10, 2012 - 11:25 PM
|- - match220   QUOTE (Jazon256 @ May 10, 2012 - 6:2...   May 10, 2012 - 11:41 PM
- - JozhGoober   I've hollowed out the downpipe cat on my MR2...   May 11, 2012 - 8:38 AM
- - playr158   Why not buy an Ebay downpipe or something? they ar...   May 11, 2012 - 9:18 AM
|- - match220   QUOTE (playr158 @ May 11, 2012 - 4:1...   May 11, 2012 - 1:03 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (match220 @ May 11, 2012 - 7:0...   May 11, 2012 - 8:20 PM
|- - match220   QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ May 11, 2012 - 3:2...   May 11, 2012 - 8:25 PM
|- - match220   QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ May 11, 2012 - 3:2...   May 11, 2012 - 8:43 PM
- - match220   It's not very hard, i took my cheap ryobi dril...   May 11, 2012 - 10:39 PM
- - presure2   that bottom half of the downpipe that contains the...   May 12, 2012 - 7:55 AM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (presure2 @ May 13, 2012 - 12...   May 12, 2012 - 9:32 AM
- - match220   The factory outlet of the DP is 2.75 inches, this ...   May 12, 2012 - 1:37 PM
- - delusionz   your car, your call, but i don't agree your sm...   May 13, 2012 - 5:36 AM
- - presure2   match, do some research. the cast elbow and large ...   May 13, 2012 - 7:09 AM
- - qatar11   PSA Moto-IQ Article on Exhaust /PSA   May 13, 2012 - 8:14 AM
- - match220   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 13, 2012 - 12...   May 13, 2012 - 11:16 AM
- - match220   delusionz and pressure2, I just read your comments...   May 13, 2012 - 7:03 PM
- - delusionz   4 words... mild steel & ceramic coating   May 15, 2012 - 1:21 AM
- - match220   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 14, 2012 - 8...   May 15, 2012 - 4:40 AM


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