5s-fe to 3s-ge swap??? Options

[dyno305]

Hi everyone im a new member and im glad to see i have finally found some true celica fans from around the world ..... I got a few questions that i need to solve,I have a usdm celica gt automatic everybody knows it comes with the 5s-fe engine but i always wanted more power so ive been looking into buying a 3s-ge its the ideal engine for me i have found a couple of them on ebay im mostly looking for automatics. but all the ones ive found have the ecu wireing harness cut off do u guys no of anybody or anywhere that sells the harness or maybe somewhere i can get a 3sge with the ecu and its harness together i dont want to go through the pain of connecting all those cables. ohh and one last thing are there parts outhere for this engine? thank you

[Smaay]

read the stickys. a 3S-GE is not an engine to use if you want to make more power. now the 3S-GTE is another story. but again read the stickys!

[k-weaver]

If you've got the funds to swap a 3S-GE i'd save the money and dump it into your current motor. Get a set of cams and maybe a SAFC for tuning and i'm sure you would be happy. Also...As Smaay said read the stickies, lots of good info there.

[KAOS]

read the stickys. a 3S-GE is not an engine to use if you want to make more power. now the 3S-GTE is another story. but again read the stickys!

Really? I'd take the stock 190HP over the lack of power the 5S puts down any day.

[dyno305]

read the stickys. a 3S-GE is not an engine to use if you want to make more power. now the 3S-GTE is another story. but again read the stickys!

Really? I'd take the stock 190HP over the lack of power the 5S puts down any day.

thats what i thought . dont get me wrong the 5s-fe is a great engine but its not quick i dont want to much power like the 3sgte and im not a fan of AWD i like more FWD for my celica.....okay how do i get to the stickys? since im new im totally lost lmfao!!

[dyno305]

does anyone know where i can buy these engines automatic transmission other then ebay?? with the ecu and wireing harness not cut off lol for some the m/t have there harness but the only two automatics ive found have both there harness cut off!! bad luck i guess..

[richee3]

At the top of each forum, you'll see a thread labeled "Sticky: Engines, Transmissions, Etc." or "Sticky: Forced Induction" or things like that. The top thread in each section.

[czwalga]

read the stickys. a 3S-GE is not an engine to use if you want to make more power. now the 3S-GTE is another story. but again read the stickys!

What are you talking about? It's about a 50 hp upgrade, and you can get the engine for between $500-700.

[KAOS]

read the stickys. a 3S-GE is not an engine to use if you want to make more power. now the 3S-GTE is another story. but again read the stickys!

What are you talking about? It's about a 50 hp upgrade, and you can get the engine for between $500-700.

Yeah this.

[m2736185]

500-700 for a 3sge...where???

[richee3]

You can have Dr. Tweak or mr220v make you a new harness, or you can patiently wait until you find one with an uncut harness. Couple of quick questions though. Why do you want to keep it auto? The manual conversion really isn't difficult, especially not with the motor out of the way. And are the harnesses cut before or after the fuse box? Several of the ads I saw when BEAMS shopping said the wiring harness was cut at the fuse box but when I looked at the pictures, they had cut the body wiring after the fuse box. It was very misleading to read when in truth, everything you need is still there.

[dyno305]

You can have Dr. Tweak or mr220v make you a new harness, or you can patiently wait until you find one with an uncut harness. Couple of quick questions though. Why do you want to keep it auto? The manual conversion really isn't difficult, especially not with the motor out of the way. And are the harnesses cut before or after the fuse box? Several of the ads I saw when BEAMS shopping said the wiring harness was cut at the fuse box but when I looked at the pictures, they had cut the body wiring after the fuse box. It was very misleading to read when in truth, everything you need is still there.

idk i never really done a auto to a Manuel swap...like do u have to take the dash out?? cuz im pretty sure all the cables are different... i mean the reason i want auto is just so it can be easier for me.....i mean what would be easier?

[dyno305]

wat about the pedals do i have to make that hole for the clutch pedal??

[richee3]

Start here: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=73956

All the information you need is in there. To narrow it down, click: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14569

If you can do the 5S to 3S swap, then converting to a manual while you're at it will be a walk in the park and well worth it.

Yes, you will need to drill a hole for the clutch pedal and master cylinder, but that's easy when there isn't a motor in the way. You'll need new shift cables but again, easy. It's a small investment that will give you huge returns when it's all finished. I've had both and trust me, the auto just can't compare

This post has been edited by richee3: Feb 11, 2012 - 3:50 PM

[dyno305]

Start here: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=73956

All the information you need is in there. To narrow it down, click: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14569

If you can do the 5S to 3S swap, then converting to a manual while you're at it will be a walk in the park and well worth it.

Yes, you will need to drill a hole for the clutch pedal and master cylinder, but that's easy when there isn't a motor in the way. You'll need new shift cables but again, easy. It's a small investment that will give you huge returns when it's all finished. I've had both and trust me, the auto just can't compare

thanks for all your help richee....hey i saw your profile and notice that u have projector lights ive been wanting to get them but Ive read post saying that ill bother my oncoming traffic and pretty much blind them is it that bad or are they blowing up the situation?

you had a auto 3s-ge before??

This post has been edited by dyno305: Feb 11, 2012 - 3:59 PM

[richee3]

Projectors with HID's will definitely blind oncoming traffic, but they're not so bad with standard halogen bulbs. Several members have been using projectors and halogen bulbs for years and never been flashed once. I have HID's and still haven't done the cutoff mod. While they're not exactly "blinding," they are incredibly bright and annoying to both oncoming traffic and cars in front of me. I need to fix the cutoff but I haven't built up the courage yet.

I've never had an auto 3S-GE but I've had both an auto and manual Celica. The auto just can't compare to the manual at all. On paper, the manual is slightly quicker, but paper doesn't tell the whole story. Having a manual changes the whole driving experience and makes the car more fun to drive, whether you're flooring it or just cruising around town.

[czwalga]

500-700 for a 3sge...where???

I found one from one of those JDM engine places for around 550 or something. Shipped it was around 700.


Also everything richee said is true.

[dyno305]

Projectors with HID's will definitely blind oncoming traffic, but they're not so bad with standard halogen bulbs. Several members have been using projectors and halogen bulbs for years and never been flashed once. I have HID's and still haven't done the cutoff mod. While they're not exactly "blinding," they are incredibly bright and annoying to both oncoming traffic and cars in front of me. I need to fix the cutoff but I haven't built up the courage yet.

I've never had an auto 3S-GE but I've had both an auto and manual Celica. The auto just can't compare to the manual at all. On paper, the manual is slightly quicker, but paper doesn't tell the whole story. Having a manual changes the whole driving experience and makes the car more fun to drive, whether you're flooring it or just cruising around town.

u know wat? imma get the projectors screw the oncoming traffic lol i live in miami road rage is a everyday thing here. people here drive angry so there going to get blinded it lmfao....its different if u live in a small town but in a major city like miami u can get away with it lol

500-700 for a 3sge...where???

I found one from one of those JDM engine places for around 550 or something. Shipped it was around 700.


Also everything richee said is true.

what website?

[m2736185]

Its proly from a gt-s. The beams usually goes for atleast 1500

[bnr32celica]

Its proly from a gt-s. The beams usually goes for atleast 1500

The 3S without BEAMS is from a JDM SS-II. The BEAMS is from the SS-III. I'm going 3S without BEAMS for a simple reason: I can run it off my 5S ECU and still be emissions-legal. Sure, its not 100% ideal, but it is better than the 5S.