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post May 23, 2020 - 3:48 PM
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Hello,

Any recommendations for Sway Bars? I want to reduce body roll. Any recommendations would be appropriated.

Thanks
post May 24, 2020 - 12:54 PM
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Do you have any other suspension parts modified or refreshed with newer than the original parts? Running stock wheels/tire size? What tires?


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post May 25, 2020 - 6:18 PM
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Thank you for replying. Everything is stock. Suspension, wheels, tires, all stock. Any curves or bends driven - there's definitely a noticeable and uncomfortable body roll. I'm hoping with good sway bars, front and back, can reduce that. At least to a normal balance. This is the coupe, not the hatchback, non convertible celica. I'm not sure if that would make a difference. I don't have the same feeling with other common stock celica.


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Do you have any other suspension parts modified or refreshed with newer than the original parts? Running stock wheels/tire size? What tires?

post May 26, 2020 - 2:23 PM
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Before you put in sway bars take a look at your shocks/struts. If they're worn out (almost guaranteed if over 100k mi), your best "anti-roll" strategy is to put in new shocks. You will be amazed at the difference in roll and squat that will make. If you're still not happy, then look into anti-roll bars.

But, there aren't many stabilizer bars to pick from, really - there's ST and Whiteline, both are fine. Avoid any no-name stuff from China. If you're interested in lowering springs, then there are more options and also improve the roll situation (if you get quality ones that are actually stiffer than stock). I have the Suspension Techniques front and rear bars, they fit and work.
post May 28, 2020 - 6:19 PM
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Thanks for replying. I will look into my stock shocks and struts. As far I know the shocks and struts feel fine (considering I live in an area that has several potholes) and thought it might be the sway bar not doing their job. I was looking into ST from Fitment Industry. I will also look into Suspension Techniques, shocks and struts first and go from there.


Much appreciated.

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Before you put in sway bars take a look at your shocks/struts. If they're worn out (almost guaranteed if over 100k mi), your best "anti-roll" strategy is to put in new shocks. You will be amazed at the difference in roll and squat that will make. If you're still not happy, then look into anti-roll bars.

But, there aren't many stabilizer bars to pick from, really - there's ST and Whiteline, both are fine. Avoid any no-name stuff from China. If you're interested in lowering springs, then there are more options and also improve the roll situation (if you get quality ones that are actually stiffer than stock). I have the Suspension Techniques front and rear bars, they fit and work.

post May 29, 2020 - 4:31 PM
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ultra racing makes a 19mm rear sway bar. and front superstrut sway bar.


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post May 30, 2020 - 2:32 PM
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QUOTE (Manny01 @ May 25, 2020 - 6:18 PM) *
Thank you for replying. Everything is stock. Suspension, wheels, tires, all stock. Any curves or bends driven - there's definitely a noticeable and uncomfortable body roll. I'm hoping with good sway bars, front and back, can reduce that. At least to a normal balance. This is the coupe, not the hatchback, non convertible celica. I'm not sure if that would make a difference. I don't have the same feeling with other common stock celica.

QUOTE (slavie @ May 26, 2020 - 2:23 PM) *
Before you put in sway bars take a look at your shocks/struts. If they're worn out (almost guaranteed if over 100k mi), your best "anti-roll" strategy is to put in new shocks. You will be amazed at the difference in roll and squat that will make. If you're still not happy, then look into anti-roll bars.

But, there aren't many stabilizer bars to pick from, really - there's ST and Whiteline, both are fine. Avoid any no-name stuff from China. If you're interested in lowering springs, then there are more options and also improve the roll situation (if you get quality ones that are actually stiffer than stock). I have the Suspension Techniques front and rear bars, they fit and work.

As mentioned, fix what's broken before you try to throw parts at a problem. The stock struts are pretty much or are completely dead at this point, replace them with even some standard KYB parts and you'll be a lot happier with how it handles.

The reason I asked if it was stock or not is because just tossing a rear or front sway bar on a car with worn stock suspension or even new stock suspension will lead to you getting yourself into trouble. In stock form the car is set up to under steer a bit which is predictable and easy to understand, with worn struts this under steer is worse than it should be since there's little to no damping against weight transfer and spring compression/rebound. If you just throw a stiffer rear sway bar on new stock suspension it will reduce that under steer which will feel faster because the rear of the car rolls less, it might even be a little faster. The problem is that with the loss of rear roll you've also lost the balance of the car, it's going to want to come loose and whip around if you lift throttle or hit the brakes during a corner near the limits of traction. Lift over steer is much much much harder to handle than under steer and they'll go together. You'll drive into a corner fast because the car rolls less, you'll under steer, you'll lift throttle maybe hit the brakes, the back will come around, and now you'll be in a spin. Sliding toward something is scary, sliding backward toward something is terrifying. No one wants another Celica in the junk yard.

If you're going to replace the rear bar also get a front bar, be mindful to try to balance the suspension changes you make. If you get something 30% stiffer in the rear get something about the same stiffer in the front. If you lower the car don't over do it, good handling isn't just being low, it's also having the correct suspension angles, alignment angles, and making sure it's all matched to work together as a system. Driving a car you have to fight with for control is no fun!


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