3S-GE ACIS/Beams discussion, Discussion about ACIS, TVIS, VVT-i, etc. applicable to 3S-GE motors |
3S-GE ACIS/Beams discussion, Discussion about ACIS, TVIS, VVT-i, etc. applicable to 3S-GE motors |
Feb 10, 2016 - 3:04 AM |
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Sounds like you're splitting hairs 0.8PS (Pferdestärke) is 0.8HP or 0.588kw. Also 15-11=8.82 just stick to 1 form of measurement
Did you ever get your Celica dyno'd Bonzai to see what your base power is and go from there? So you know roughly what your gains are when you do buy & install some parts for your beams. When I installed the Tom's ecu I got a print out of the O2 readings from the exhaust. No since we have never had some sort of smog checking, I can't really compare my results to others locally. Would be interesting to compare - if it is comparable, to people in the States -------------------- |
Feb 10, 2016 - 2:21 PM |
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Nope. I don't plan to do any dyno unless it's real cheap. And adding other engine parts isn't realistic. Got other plans. I was just putting the info so people know what to expect. With a full system.
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Jun 16, 2016 - 3:24 AM |
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optimalgearset by Justin Towers, on Flickr
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Mar 24, 2017 - 2:30 PM |
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Link MonsoonX G4X Plug and play ECU with Base Map (internal MAP Sensor)
https://panicmade.com/wiring/p/red-top-beams-pnp-kit Larger Fuel Injectors (with flowchart data) $380 https://www.fiveomotorsport.com/toyota-550c...jEb_kR2ZgwFNkPG Larger Fuel pump is needed (3rd Gen 3SGTE, 2JZGE and 2UZFE are same) $130 https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk...256&jsn=980 Recommended by the engine builder to port and polish the exhaust ports of cylinder head Camshafts dyno tested by Bad Beams FB group. Intake: 280deg CA 11.2mm Exhaust: 280deg CA 11.2mm @ $825 Note: He does not recommend heavier valve springs or more durable retainers, However I'd recommend the dual vvt-i springs. These profiles were made to be used on compression ratio of a 12:0.1 OEM manual transmission 3S-GE Blacktop Intake Valve Springs 90501-33016 (x8) and Exhaust Valve Springs 90501-33017 (x8) = $80 Note: Redtop/Blacktop share same valve spring retainers. JE Forged 12.5:1 Pistons $950 or opt for the OEM 11.5:1 Altezza Pistons $290-350 (more durable and can handle the 8K rpm) https://www.realstreetperformance.com/catal...q=+3sge+pistons Manley Forged connecting rods. $570 https://throtl.com/products/manley-86-99-to...e0mkgNWPsrq3zyi Racing Main/Rod Bearings and Thrust Washers $125 https://jdtracing.com/products/acl-bundle-r...5W5A_CPREHihTmQ Lower Oil Pan spacer for increased oil capacity. Can be bought with or without baffles $370-400. https://mr2heaven.com/products/gen3-4-5-3sg...es-oil-capacity However, perform your own oil pressure logging before determining if this upgrade is necessary: https://primemr2.com/products/oil-pressure-...11b36&_ss=r This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Dec 2, 2024 - 5:54 PM -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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Jul 15, 2017 - 12:23 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 24, '08 From Orange County, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 33 (100%) |
Custom Gear set with OEM engine:
RPM drop off from 1st into 2nd gear = 2,243 RPM drop off from 2nd into 3rd gear = 2,279 RPM drop off from 3rd into 4th gear = 1,983 RPM drop off from 4th into 5th gear = 1,782 Integra Type R (98 spec) with 225/45R16: RPM drop off from 1st into 2nd gear = 2,494 RPM drop off from 2nd into 3rd gear = 2,426 RPM drop off from 3rd into 4th gear = 2,313 RPM drop off from 4th into 5th gear = 1,929 OEM Gear set: RPM drop off from 1st into 2nd gear = 2,747 RPM drop off from 2nd into 3rd gear = 2,643 RPM drop off from 3rd into 4th gear = 1,688 RPM drop off from 4th into 5th gear = 1,524 Both 3SGE Redtop Single VVT-i and B18C Integra Type R have a 2,250 rpm power band This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Dec 3, 2024 - 4:14 PM -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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Nov 25, 2017 - 7:11 PM |
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Example of best possible gear ratios for a built 3SGE Beams Redtop Engine
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Dec 13, 2017 - 5:05 AM |
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OEM Spec Camshaft duration (IN/EX) - 256°/244° (advertised duration) (Unknown) @ 1mm lift / (Unknown) @ 0.050in. lift Camshaft lift: (IN/EX) - 10.5mm/9.2mm
apparently TRD used to sell cams for Redtop motor as mentioned by Pheonix on this forum) however not sure why it isnt listed in 2002 TRD catalog. This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Oct 29, 2024 - 11:44 AM -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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Sep 11, 2018 - 6:43 PM |
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TRD made an second oil pan with larger oil capacity along with baffles built in and offered spacers for the oil pick up. This is probably where mr2 heaven got the idea from.
https://www.trdparts.jp/parts/archive/parts...gine-3s-ge.html This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Oct 29, 2024 - 5:49 PM -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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Sep 12, 2018 - 6:16 PM |
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While over the ditch, NZ make these custom ones...
They can do 45mm, 48mm or 50mm Not sure on price. But gen 3 owners could use their lower intake runners, and possibly a small adaptor bracket between that and the itb's -------------------- |
Sep 12, 2018 - 8:20 PM |
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I think this is a 120 degree angle, but only because it was fitted into a newer corolla that originally had an 1ZZ motor. While the one you picture looks like a 90 degree bend.
IMG-20171130-WA0003 by Justin Towers, on Flickr IMG-20171130-WA0001 by Justin Towers, on FlickrIMG-20171109-WA0001 by Justin Towers, on Flickr IMG-20170306-WA0005 by Justin Towers, on Flickr pics of how cat cams come in the mail IMG-20180329-WA0004 by Justin Towers, on Flickr This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Dec 15, 2022 - 1:22 PM -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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Aug 22, 2019 - 1:26 PM |
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Valve Clearance Spec for 3SGE Beams Redtop
Intake .17-27mm Exhaust: .32-.42mm upgrading your transaxle to the 1994-1995 E56 trans gearing and swapping out final drives from the 96-2000 RAV4: Increase in torque from 4.176 - 4.529 is 9.24%. Increase in torque from 4.176 - 4.933 is 18.14% Which means a 4.933 final drive in your E56 transaxle will gain 27 ft lb torque + 152 ft lb (engine torque) = 179 ft lb tq more details here in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb3F5238fco This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 15, 2023 - 1:01 PM -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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Oct 5, 2022 - 11:35 AM |
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MAF intake adapter
https://www.driftmotion.com/2JZGTE-VVTi-MAF...pe-p/dm3584.htm Manifold flange with enlarged exhaust ports for those that plan on doing proper cylinder headwork https://www.sq-engineering.com/product/3sge...1QQm4nx2w817u3o 3sge Beams motors have an intake manifold thermal spacer. something that is not found on Honda's B18C or K20A motors. Furthermore the Beams has an improved PCV system over gen 3 design. This allow crankcase pressure to remain much lower and not push as much oil out the valve cover. These improvements were carried over to the 4th gen 3SG-TE platform despite better PCV system. blow by still occurs and oil puddles inside the intake manifold. Would recommend an catch can set up. This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Oct 28, 2024 - 1:38 PM -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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Aug 14, 2024 - 1:15 PM |
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someone is detailing the conversion of Altezza motor into a FWD setup. https://www.mr2oc.com/threads/3s-ge-beams-b...rite-up.693735/
another member on fb has attached a C64 transaxle onto 3S-GE Dual VVT-i engine and is putting it into an ST202. he'll keep my updated as soon as its installed but mentioned january 2025 is more than likley when i'll get on a dyno the Caldina Greytop (auto spec only) was produced until 2002 Benefits of Dual VVT-i motor over single vvt-i redtop: Better flowing intake manifold, higher compression, exhaust vvt-i (greater flat torque curve), larger buckets/lifters, different valve springs and more aggressive camshaft profile. As far as cooling is concerned, I was told by a member who has an ST185 Celica; that his oem koyorad radiator kept engine cool on track up to 400hp. better than the dual core alloy radiator. The OEM fans are quite large and flow a lot of cfm, but come close to contacting the oem exhaust manifold. Keep your OEM (Koyo brand plastic tank header and footer) and upgrade to SPAL IX-30101522 fans. This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 2, 2024 - 8:45 PM -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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Nov 2, 2024 - 8:46 PM |
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castings for the redtop/greytop and dual vvt-i blacktop manual trans head are the same. To my understanding, you can't use blacktop cams in a redtop cylinder head because the exhaust cams lobes are wider in order to accommodate the larger blacktop buckets. Redtop buckets are 31mm while Blacktop Dual VVT-i (manual trans) are 33mm.
tuning that Toyota produced the Altezza engine. https://www.trdparts.jp/parts/archive/parts...gine-3s-ge.html This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Dec 4, 2024 - 11:52 PM -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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