 trying to set up a 3s-ge swap |
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 Apr 27, 2004 - 1:27 AM
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wouldnt something like this almost require a standalone engine management unit? I don't really get how you could wire in VVTI using the existing components we have for our cars. |
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Apr 27, 2004 - 1:36 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
No... not all of the 3sge's came with VVTi... and exsisting harnesses are just that... you just re-run the exsisting wires to the 3SGE accesories/sensors and re-wire the harness/plugs to match the ecu.... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Apr 27, 2004 - 4:53 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
is that all your re-wireing for the whole harness?? and would it be the same for the 7afe. st.... i might have asked this, but sence you seem so knowledgeable, I would love to learn all i can.. |
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Apr 27, 2004 - 6:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The harnesses are different between the 7AFE and the 5SFE... so you might not be able to use a majority of the plugs/sensors, etc... because of placement or compatability between the two. The only parts of the stock 7AFE harness you could use, would probably be some plugs that match up... and the wires themselves... for extending/modifying/creating a harness to fit the 3SGE (that's what mike [qatar] does). That's the catch. They probably are similar enough between the 5SFE and 3SGE that you can use a majority of the stock harness... but probably not between the 7AFE and 3SGE. Regardless... there will be a lot of little parts that are very difficult to source assuming you buy just a longblock (ignitor/coils, TPS, AFM/MAP sensor, [depending on what version of the 3SGE] amoungst other little things) so I would reccomend getting a front clip for a swap like this, which people have never really ventured into, nor have much information about... not even to mention your biggest obstacle... the differences in wiring between an A series and S series, which you basically have to make a new harness for (or modify an exsisting 3SGE harness)... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Apr 27, 2004 - 8:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
well say i have it already......
 i guess ima need to check for those few hard to find things.... any idea on numbers for the tranny and mounts that i will need or that will fit up.. I asked a guy i think i can get them from, but he said that it would be easier if he had numbers to look for?? I have no clue, mabey year an somthing..
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Apr 29, 2004 - 5:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
any one, still need some info, if ya could help??? also, to do a few things before it goes in, i was thinking about repace the valve cover gasket, aslo mabyre the head just cause... any other sugestions..
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Apr 29, 2004 - 5:13 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Those parts will be very hard to find... but i believe many 3SGTE parts should work, such as various gaskets and stuff. As for part numbers and various parts... well... you'll probably NEVER find any ignitors or other parts like that... and I doubt other versions will work either. Part numbers are hard to come by unless you find someone who has the car, and can get them for you. It's not a good idea to buy just a long block... you'll basically be working in the dark. That's a big big mistake.
-------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Apr 30, 2004 - 3:22 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
ok, i think im getting more woried and cunfused... your saying if i bought just a long block.. .. I bought the whole engine with everything attached, the full uncut harness, and the ecu... also the tranny is there an on.. the only problem is that i have an auto tranny, and my car is man,The reason im saying use a gt tranny is because, A. I know a guy i can get one from for really cheap, which means no looking finding spending crazy money, also no shipping.. also im going to get the mounts from him too.. your saying the ignitor and all, Im like 90% sure thats all there still on the engine.. Is there anything else, that you might say i would need that im missing... Thanks alot again
Doug |
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Apr 30, 2004 - 7:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Ignitors aren't mounted on an engine or harness... and typically speaking, JDM engines when imported have cut harnesses. That's the problem with buying just a long block... finding all of the missing parts. Ignitors are probably unique only to those engines, and ignitors from other cars most likely won't work... unless of course you can cross-refrence with part numbers. However... if you happen to have bought one with an ignitor and wiring still complete... all that's needed to be modified is the body harness (all of the wiring under the dash) and modify the engine harness and re-pin the wires to match the ECU/sensors/plugs, etc... As for the tranny... if it came with and auto tranny... you'll need a flywheel also. 3SGE flywheels aren't exactly easy to find either... but luckily... 3SGTE flywheels work the same... but then again, those aren't easy to find very cheap either. GT flywheels (5SFE flywheels) do NOT fit (but the GT tranny will). While on that subject... you'll need shift-linkages and drive axles from a GT also (I believe the splines on the hubs are the same). ST ones don't fit. As for the motor mounts... GT ones will work, assuming you mount them in the factory positions identical to a GT. There are more obstacles that will most likely pop up. I'm just stating the basic mechanical stuff that you'll need in order to just bolt the engine into the engine bay. Beyond that is wiring... and that's not my game... ;] -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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