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post Sep 26, 2004 - 5:56 PM
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I was wondering if putting a FMIC on a non turbo engine would add any hp at all. I've only seen ICs on turboed cars, but why would they not cool the air more on a N/A car as well?
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post Sep 26, 2004 - 6:12 PM
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no


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post Sep 26, 2004 - 6:22 PM
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just pack ice around your TB. it adds like 20 hp.


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post Sep 26, 2004 - 6:24 PM
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no. a F/I FORCES the air past the IC. I'm sure you've heard that IC's "add turbo lag," well, it's the same thing on an NA; except that without forced induction the lag is actually noticable; and you lose any gains you would have gotten with cooler air.
post Sep 26, 2004 - 6:49 PM
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turbo'd engines push pressurized and heated air through the intercooler (if you dont know a turbo heats up the air significantly when it pressurizes it), it is nowhere close to ambient temp. On an NA engine all you are taking into the engine is ambient air...so an intercooler will only hurt performance.
post Sep 26, 2004 - 7:00 PM
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what're you guys talkin about?

it adds crazy HP, and you get that awesome BOV sound.

i'm gonna do this as soon as i find one for a good price. then i can run with the big boys!


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post Sep 26, 2004 - 7:06 PM
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post Sep 26, 2004 - 7:49 PM
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i have one for sale
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post Sep 26, 2004 - 8:05 PM
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QUOTE (Doge @ Sep 26, 2004 - 11:49 PM)
turbo'd engines push pressurized and heated air through the intercooler (if you dont know a turbo heats up the air significantly when it pressurizes it), it is nowhere close to ambient temp. On an NA engine all you are taking into the engine is ambient air...so an intercooler will only hurt performance.

Thats not really accurate doge.. the air running through an intercooler on an NA car will still end up cooler than ambient air.. but.. smile.gif it's everything else that slows it down.
post Sep 27, 2004 - 12:19 AM
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QUOTE (shid @ Sep 26, 2004 - 6:05 PM)
QUOTE (Doge @ Sep 26, 2004 - 11:49 PM)
turbo'd engines push pressurized and heated air through the intercooler (if you dont know a turbo heats up the air significantly when it pressurizes it), it is nowhere close to ambient temp.  On an NA engine all you are taking into the engine is ambient air...so an intercooler will only hurt performance.

Thats not really accurate doge.. the air running through an intercooler on an NA car will still end up cooler than ambient air.. but.. smile.gif it's everything else that slows it down.

I highly doubt that an intercooler would cool an N/A charge at all. The only reason it is effective on a turbo engine is because the air is pressurized and is being forced agains the fins and tubes of the intercooler. In an N/A the air will only be gliding through... either way an intercooler will only harm performance... that is alot of extra unneeded tubing that air has to be forced through.
post Sep 27, 2004 - 12:46 AM
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personnally i don't think the vaccum pressure is high enough for it to suck through all of that
post Sep 27, 2004 - 2:07 AM
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QUOTE (Doge @ Sep 27, 2004 - 5:19 AM)
QUOTE (shid @ Sep 26, 2004 - 6:05 PM)
QUOTE (Doge @ Sep 26, 2004 - 11:49 PM)
turbo'd engines push pressurized and heated air through the intercooler (if you dont know a turbo heats up the air significantly when it pressurizes it), it is nowhere close to ambient temp.  On an NA engine all you are taking into the engine is ambient air...so an intercooler will only hurt performance.

Thats not really accurate doge.. the air running through an intercooler on an NA car will still end up cooler than ambient air.. but.. smile.gif it's everything else that slows it down.

I highly doubt that an intercooler would cool an N/A charge at all. The only reason it is effective on a turbo engine is because the air is pressurized and is being forced agains the fins and tubes of the intercooler. In an N/A the air will only be gliding through... either way an intercooler will only harm performance... that is alot of extra unneeded tubing that air has to be forced through.

Air running through the IC would get a wind chill effect based on how fast u were driving; the intake doesn't heat air as it's coming through like a turbo; but the wind chill effect would still cool the air like.. 2 degrees. Why the hell are we discussing this? It's so silly. Pointless. Doge is god.
post Sep 27, 2004 - 2:09 AM
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Just make a cold air intake dude.


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post Sep 27, 2004 - 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (shid @ Sep 27, 2004 - 12:07 AM)
QUOTE (Doge @ Sep 27, 2004 - 5:19 AM)
QUOTE (shid @ Sep 26, 2004 - 6:05 PM)
QUOTE (Doge @ Sep 26, 2004 - 11:49 PM)
turbo'd engines push pressurized and heated air through the intercooler (if you dont know a turbo heats up the air significantly when it pressurizes it), it is nowhere close to ambient temp.  On an NA engine all you are taking into the engine is ambient air...so an intercooler will only hurt performance.

Thats not really accurate doge.. the air running through an intercooler on an NA car will still end up cooler than ambient air.. but.. smile.gif it's everything else that slows it down.

I highly doubt that an intercooler would cool an N/A charge at all. The only reason it is effective on a turbo engine is because the air is pressurized and is being forced agains the fins and tubes of the intercooler. In an N/A the air will only be gliding through... either way an intercooler will only harm performance... that is alot of extra unneeded tubing that air has to be forced through.

Air running through the IC would get a wind chill effect based on how fast u were driving; the intake doesn't heat air as it's coming through like a turbo; but the wind chill effect would still cool the air like.. 2 degrees. Why the hell are we discussing this? It's so silly. Pointless. Doge is god.

Just posting info for the masses Shid... dont take offence
post Sep 27, 2004 - 11:36 AM
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QUOTE (Doge @ Sep 27, 2004 - 4:17 PM)
QUOTE (shid @ Sep 27, 2004 - 12:07 AM)
QUOTE (Doge @ Sep 27, 2004 - 5:19 AM)
QUOTE (shid @ Sep 26, 2004 - 6:05 PM)
QUOTE (Doge @ Sep 26, 2004 - 11:49 PM)
turbo'd engines push pressurized and heated air through the intercooler (if you dont know a turbo heats up the air significantly when it pressurizes it), it is nowhere close to ambient temp.  On an NA engine all you are taking into the engine is ambient air...so an intercooler will only hurt performance.

Thats not really accurate doge.. the air running through an intercooler on an NA car will still end up cooler than ambient air.. but.. smile.gif it's everything else that slows it down.

I highly doubt that an intercooler would cool an N/A charge at all. The only reason it is effective on a turbo engine is because the air is pressurized and is being forced agains the fins and tubes of the intercooler. In an N/A the air will only be gliding through... either way an intercooler will only harm performance... that is alot of extra unneeded tubing that air has to be forced through.

Air running through the IC would get a wind chill effect based on how fast u were driving; the intake doesn't heat air as it's coming through like a turbo; but the wind chill effect would still cool the air like.. 2 degrees. Why the hell are we discussing this? It's so silly. Pointless. Doge is god.

Just posting info for the masses Shid... dont take offence

Err, none taken; thats what the doge is god thing at the end is for smile.gif Doge is god!
post Sep 27, 2004 - 12:06 PM
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i got one on my N/A car. it sounds crazy.......


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post Sep 27, 2004 - 1:46 PM
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haha if you want good intake performance make a TRUE ram air intake
post Sep 28, 2004 - 11:34 AM
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for the n/a just add an f/m intake


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post Sep 28, 2004 - 11:36 AM
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and yes they do make it for celicas
post Sep 28, 2004 - 11:49 AM
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Please dont order that

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