Water cooled PC, 1337 roxorzzz!1!1!!!! Options

[Uppitycracker]

Well Im going to do it for christmas, Im going leet, Im sick of hearing my fans whining when Im playing games, and the fact that theres 8 in my box total it sounds like an airplane idleing beside me Also I wanna push my p4 2.8e up to atleast 3.5 and get my x800 around 600mhz.

This list of stuff for the most part is pretty generic, the pump is quite sufficient. I opted for the less atractive heater core since it cheaper and works better then the radiators made for pc's.

Because of the size of the rad it probably going to be mounted outside the computer which will be better for cooling anyways.

Double Heater Core Radiator, 11" x 6 1/8" x 2" - $34.99
Danger Den Fill port - $11.95
Hydo L25 Pump, 185gph - $37.95
Barbed Polypropylene T - $1.75
10ft Clearflex60 Tubing - $10.00
20x Adjustable Plastic Hose clamp - $15.00
Clear Cylindrical Reservior -$25.00
Maze4 CPU Block - $36.70
Maze4 GPU Block - $39.95
8x Ramsinks - $19.95
4oz Water Wetter - $3.50

Total - $236.74 + shipping

all 1/2 pipe size

Anyone here have experience with water cooling? any tips, tricks, pics? Ive read up quite a bit on the parts needed and am confident my list of parts will do very well. I also read up on kits that are available and for anyone insterested in water cooling the Kingwin Artic cooling kit has had nothing but good reviews and only cost 99USD, though its not great for OC applications it reduces noise to almost nothing.

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 21, 2004 - 1:29 AM

[Andason]

use nos

[LatinKraze]

I keep my PC in the fridge.

I've never heard of water cooled PC's before? Is this new or have those components been on the market for a while?

[Andason]

I keep my PC in the fridge.
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the sad thing is... i bet someone has that as a setup

[Blakout16]

its been out for along time actually... ever since i was 12... and the only problem is keeping everything water tight, and we all know that water pwns computers so thats the only thing u should worry about switching to water coolers and tape led's to the tubing it looks pretty freakin tight when u do it

[Andason]

but what i really want to know is what cools down the water. you are aware of how a car cooling system works right? where is the "fresh" air being found? the computer isnt moving so.... ?

[LatinKraze]

The tubing must be transparent then. Might even try using food coloring in water with bright led's. Sweet, I want a comp now.

[Hanyo]

does your northbridge have a fan also? i would recomend you get a water block for your northbridge if you plan to OC your computer. haha I still remember your post about build a computer and I warned your about noise. From now on you are plagued with the need to silences. Another thing, about the raditor, what fan do you plan on putting on there to cool it? And are you ready to monthly clean your water cool system? because junk will start collecting in the water blocks ect. just warning.

about the refrigerator cooling computer... that is a bad idea. because when things get cold it will collect condensation, and that will short out a computer. (unless you vapo-freezed, but that is a different story)..

[celicarocker]

but what i really want to know is what cools down the water. you are aware of how a car cooling system works right? where is the "fresh" air being found? the computer isnt moving so.... ?
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there is no "fresh" air per say.... but the water is cooled by a radiator... and people put dye in the water all the times, especially blacklight responsive dye... the best thing to use in there is distilled water or whatever in there, it doesnt hold an electricall charge so if a leak busts, your all set....

and tim, the best thing i think to do is get a danger den kit, for the price they can't be beat... ive done alot of research into watercooling as i was planning on getting it for a while... and the only tip i can offer is, although it will suck, put it in your case and let it run for 48 hours straight without your PC components in there... you want to make sure its 'aight....

[Uppitycracker]

but what i really want to know is what cools down the water. you are aware of how a car cooling system works right? where is the "fresh" air being found? the computer isnt moving so.... ?
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If you look in the list of parts there is a rather large radiator which will have 2 or 3 fans mounted to it, just like a cars system....maybe you just missed that.

and tim, the best thing i think to do is get a danger den kit, for the price they can't be beat... ive done alot of research into watercooling as i was planning on getting it for a while... and the only tip i can offer is, although it will suck, put it in your case and let it run for 48 hours straight without your PC components in there... you want to make sure its 'aight....
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Ya thats where Im getting everything, there kits are pretty weak for the ones that are 200USD and less so I just made my own with that parts available on there page.

Ill also be getting a UV cathode and UV reactive water additive

Also Im going to assemble the sysem before I install it and run a leak test for probably a day or so, that way there is little chance of it leaking whe inside my computer. Its not even really a risk, the pressure is very low and its proven technology.

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 20, 2004 - 7:00 PM

[Andason]

m00t

[Uppitycracker]

does your northbridge have a fan also? i would recomend you get a water block for your northbridge if you plan to OC your computer. haha I still remember your post about build a computer and I warned your about noise.  From now on you are plagued with the need to silences.  Another thing, about the raditor, what fan do you plan on putting on there to cool it? And are you ready to monthly clean your water cool system? because junk will start collecting in the water blocks ect. just  warning.

about the refrigerator cooling computer... that is a bad idea. because when things get cold it will collect condensation, and that will short out a computer. (unless you vapo-freezed, but that is a different story)..
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Northbridge? are you refering to my processor or the mobo chipset? I have a prescott cpu thats why I ask. For fans Im hoping to go 120mm to reduce noise, but Ill have like 5 80mm fans sitting around so I might use them and just use my control to run them low, they still move a good amount of air on low and are more quiet. I know about cleaning the water once a month.

Noise is my secondary motive to water cooling, power is my primary:) so a little noise is ok, but your right, loud fans are annoying as hell! Especially the whiney ones on the processor and vga.

[celicarocker]

hes talking about your chipset....

[1900WattCelica]

My buddy has a watercooled system...heres his suggestions:

Basically, the radiator is good, the danger dan fill port is the best you can get, if the pump is a platstic impeller pump primed with water, and the pump is enclosed in a metal housing with copper bushings then a 185gph will be awesome becuase it builds up about 45 psi, if it is a plastic cintrifugal pump then hes gonna need to 300 gph to get the psi where it needs to be

Hes gonna need 2 300gph, the reservior is gonna be arcrylic so its gonna crack eventually, they all do its a proven fact, and the ramsinks are a waste of money, if he decides to go with all thet ****, hes gonna have some major water restriction, and the water wetter you can get cheaper at the auto parts store

If he decides to go with 8 ramsinks, he gonna need at least a half inch connection from the pumps throughout the system, and pumps aint cheap. Ehiem makes the best ones. There for aquarium use, but they have a conversion for computers

And the danger dan setup is bullet proof, but you cant just get the port its gotta be the whole thing

[Uppitycracker]

hes talking about your chipset....
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Oh I C because theres a pentium northwood so I thought maybe he was talking about that. Well the mobo has a decent size heatsink but no fan, its typically around 30c which is the ambient temp in my case, so Im thinking it may not be necessary, when I do overclock and I find it becomes to hot Ill return the clock speed to normal and invest in cooling for the mobo. I most likely will down the road anyways.

[Uppitycracker]

My buddy has a watercooled system...heres his suggestions:

Basically, the radiator is good, the danger dan fill port is the best you can get,  if the pump is a platstic impeller pump primed with water, and the pump is enclosed in a metal housing with copper bushings then a 185gph will be awesome becuase it builds up about 45 psi, if it is a plastic cintrifugal pump then hes gonna need to 300 gph to get the psi where it needs to be

Hes gonna need 2 300gph, the reservior is gonna be arcrylic so its gonna crack eventually, they all do its a proven fact, and the ramsinks are a waste of money, if he  decides to go with all thet ****, hes gonna have some major water restriction, and the water wetter you can get cheaper at the auto parts store

If he decides to go with 8 ramsinks, he gonna need at least a half inch connection from the pumps throughout the system, and pumps aint cheap. Ehiem makes the best ones. There for aquarium use, but they have a conversion for computers

And the danger dan setup is bullet proof, but you cant just get the port its gotta be the whole thing
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Well the pros at overclockers.com say you need a pump that can push water to 4ft at least 20gph, so why would I need 2 300gph pumps?!?! You don't need massive amount of pressure, especially not 45psi, thats nuts!

I am going 1/2" tubing all around, it says in the initial post, and for the sake of my overclocked x800 I wouldn''t mind extra cool for the ram since i have to remove the stock one.

Can you please elaberate on how Im going to get so much flow restriction?? The danger den water blocks have Very little restriction, Im using 1/2" piping, the heater core is supposedly the least resistant thing you can use and Ill have a decent pump....

The pump I chose is supposedly ehiem quality but for 10USD more I might aswell just go with the ahiem 158gph pump or the 317gph pump for 20USD more.

And as for the danger den setup, are you talking about the gpu block or the cpu? What do you mean by the "port"?


Thanks for your help man!

Tim

Oh and just an after thought about the ramsinks, all they are is little aluminum heat sinks for the vga card, I think you might think Im getting 8 water blocks for my system memory, which isn't the case, hopefully that clarifies things.

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 21, 2004 - 1:11 AM

[jojobombiest]

My old computer was watercooled, trying to get rid of it now. The bad thing is if you ever forget to put water in it... ur whole comp is screwed. But my setup was cool, i mounted the water box thing inside of the computer, the radiator was also inside the computer, and there was a hole cut in the top of the computer case with a tube coming out into a little squeeze bottle thing. So everything was sealed in the computer except the bottle, which dangled off the side a bit. It was a lot easier especially when trying to bring the computer to a friends house or something.

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Here's a pic:



The radiator is at the bottom, the blue thing on the right is where the water is stored, then theres the bottle to easily squeeze water in.

This post has been edited by jojobombiest: Nov 21, 2004 - 1:07 AM

[Uppitycracker]

haha what a mess man Im anal about my computer so its always babied ":P

Im getting a 12 dollar filler cap for mine so filling will be a snap, also My rad is going to be outside, Id, love to keep it all internal but the rad is way to big and since its not made for a computer it would be a bitch installing, plus its gonna look wicked having a fatass chrome rad mounted to my desk

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 21, 2004 - 1:15 AM

[Uppitycracker]

Just read some more about water cooling, I think Im going to go with a parallel setup so Ill need a larger pump and have to go with 3/8 piping.

Man I always start planning the hell outta stuff way before I get it

"I always go for 3/8th fittings so there is more Water to go around thus equalling better cooling, however this also leads to a drop in overall flow. So a more powerful pump is required.
½ fittings have less cooling capability but provide a higher flowrate so is more efficient for less powerful pumps. The only time this rule doesn’t apply is with HeaterCores, as they are designed so that whatever fitting is used it won’t affect its cooling performance."

Does this make sense to anyone? would it not be the opposite? I would think larger piping would require a larger pump since its trying to push more volume.

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 21, 2004 - 1:52 AM

[celicarocker]

im getting a lian li case soon, and might go watercooling depending on what cpu i end up gettin....