 3s-gte st185 Carlos Sainz, Differences...? help me people! |
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 Jan 21, 2005 - 10:08 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%)  |
What are the differences between the Group A or Carlos Sainz st185 3s-gte versus the Reg st185 3s-gte?
I know the water to air IC but what else? What about the ECU's? any difference there? edit: reason I ask is that I believe I have a reg st185 3s-gte but my ECU is from a carlos sainz edition. I would ask at celica.net, but its down. This post has been edited by Chrobis: Jan 21, 2005 - 10:19 PM |
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Jan 21, 2005 - 10:40 PM
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-------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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Jan 22, 2005 - 2:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
would the RC model need the different AFM and a different MAP sensor?
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Jan 23, 2005 - 1:12 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
no, you can use the RC/CS ecu with the reg ST185. It has higher boost cut and more aggressive fuel mapping. You dont need anything different. You'll actually get more power.
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Jan 23, 2005 - 1:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 13, '03 From NY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
What about a ECU from GT4 use in ST185 3SGTE? more power?.. I am sure the one from Caldina will not work correct?
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Jan 23, 2005 - 1:40 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
You can use the ST205 ecu in the ST185, it'll require rewiring but you will also be able to ditch the AFM, more power I'm nont sure bout that. The ST215 ecu I have no idea bout.
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Jan 25, 2005 - 12:47 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
I actually dont have a carlos sainz, but a group A.... anyone have any ideas what the difference there is?
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Jan 25, 2005 - 12:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
none. Its just like the CS is the same as the RC, just names.
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Jan 25, 2005 - 5:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
EL prototypes was saying that the group A engines came with an air IC, so they have to be a bit different
also, I have an extra ECU, same one. |
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Jan 25, 2005 - 6:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
There are cars with the A designation painted on the side that have an air to air intercooler. However, they are not true "Group A" cars. According to what I have read, the Group A, WRC and Carlos Sanz editions are identical.
This post has been edited by jgreening: Jan 25, 2005 - 9:02 PM -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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Jan 25, 2005 - 8:40 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Group A's definately had water to air.
wanna give me the RC ecu? This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Jan 25, 2005 - 8:41 PM -------------------- |
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Jan 26, 2005 - 1:14 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
Well the guy at EL prototypes looked up the ECU part number and it was on the Rally celica page from the "Group A" series engines. No super its not free
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Jan 26, 2005 - 9:27 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Oh well I had to try - Group A's are water to air though - I recently was trying to buy the intercooler water pump from someone with a Group A.
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Jan 26, 2005 - 1:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
see the wierd thing is ELP said some of the rally engines came with air/air. I am actually thinking that maybe I have the group A engine, just the IC was taken off an replaced with the air IC, so the place could sell the IC seperatly.
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Jan 26, 2005 - 1:44 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Then it doesnt matter - the only difference was the intercooler and ecu.
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