3sgte in an ST vs RSX Type - S Stock Options

[Blakout16]

yeah, basically against an rsx-s comes down to driver... i was up against my friend with rsx-s off a slow roll and i gave him a good damn run for his money cuz he's a newbie to the car (only owned it like 3-4 months) and hasnt raced it much and i only have a st and race moderately for the hell of it and i was pretty excited about that i almost beat him.l
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wait one daaayum minute.... YOU BEAT A RSX WITH A ST?!?!? I couldnt even beat a stock civic with my st (even though i have an auto) what am i doing wrong?? god help me...i hope i get this loan so i can get that 3sgte clip in a few weeks!
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lol, i didnt beat him! i came really close like half a car length, and he isnt the best at driving the car neither so...

[AndyST4]

My friend has beat rsx's in his stock 90 si and I could beat him wen I had the st motor As for the 3s my car destroys cars. I haven't taken it to the track yet and don't really plan on it but you should have no problem beating a stock rsx. From a rolling start I have beaten my cousin's evo 8 and killed a turbo r32. It is deffinetely tough to get a good launch in my car but I haven't needed one yet, and this was when I was only running 10psi My car gains like the other cars are at a stand still.

[97sccelica]

My friend has beat rsx's in his stock 90 si  and I could beat him wen I had the st motor As for the 3s my car destroys cars.  I haven't taken it to the track yet and don't really plan on it but you should have no problem beating a stock rsx.  From a rolling start I have beaten my cousin's evo 8 and killed a turbo r32.  It is deffinetely tough to get a good launch in my car but I haven't needed one yet, and this was when I was only running 10psi My car gains like the other cars are at a stand still.
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a turbo r32?

what kind of roll was this? VW r32's are fairly well powered. and turboing a 240hp 3.2l v6 would make a lot of power

[Kwanza26]

I sometimes get the impression some of you just haven't come across fast cars and good drivers...

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Apr 13, 2005 - 3:31 PM

[nik]

yesterday i got beat by a STI but i hung with him a little bit but i know its got stuff done to it as for the RSX i beat my friends type s by a fender then he beat me by 1/2 a car a 7afte @ 10 psi and a rsx type s are almost dead even as for other cars i'm still waiting for a chick with a gst 99 eclipse to race her boyfriend acura would kill me he putd down 400whp+ on the highway he down shifted and lit up the tires when i rebuild into the 7agte he's my target i want to be as fast as him but the sad news is that he is getting more upgrades and going for 600 horse thats out of my reach.

[AndyST4]

My friend has beat rsx's in his stock 90 si  and I could beat him wen I had the st motor As for the 3s my car destroys cars.  I haven't taken it to the track yet and don't really plan on it but you should have no problem beating a stock rsx.  From a rolling start I have beaten my cousin's evo 8 and killed a turbo r32.  It is deffinetely tough to get a good launch in my car but I haven't needed one yet, and this was when I was only running 10psi My car gains like the other cars are at a stand still.
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a turbo r32?

what kind of roll was this? VW r32's are fairly well powered. and turboing a 240hp 3.2l v6 would make a lot of power
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it was a skyline

[drnovascotia]

You celica people have your facts completly wrong.

I said a SR'd 240, not the KA, those are slow as a celica

I'll take your @ the track anyday of the week in my SR and I guarantee I'd smoke you. I'm going for 12.5 this year once I get my LSD

with swaps s13's are 2600 lbs, with the boost turned up like I said they run 200rwhp stock with a FMIC. And if your "Friends" 240sx ran HIGH 14's he's doing something wrong.

Yes Subaru's are similar but AWD you lose a buttload of HP due to AWD, and they are heavier.


MY facts are from my 3 years 0f 240sx ownership, and my s13 SP powered sr20det.

Not trying to bash, just open up some of your biased eyes.

Dr.

[lagos]

why do i always get the feeling that people on here like to bash the 3s swap. its the best mod i have dont to my car and totally changed the way i look at my car. the motor really feels like it belongs in the 6th gen, and makes you wonder why toyota never offered the 3s in a fwd car. sure there will always be a faster car, but with the boost at 14psi, you really feel like u can give anyone a good run for their money.

[Kwanza26]

You celica people have your facts completly wrong.

I said a SR'd 240, not the KA, those are slow as a celica

I'll take your @ the track anyday of the week in my SR and I guarantee I'd smoke you. I'm going for 12.5 this year once I get my LSD

with swaps s13's are 2600 lbs, with the boost turned up like I said they run 200rwhp stock with a FMIC. And if your "Friends" 240sx ran HIGH 14's he's doing something wrong.

Yes Subaru's are similar but AWD you lose a buttload of HP due to AWD, and they are heavier.

MY facts are from my 3 years 0f 240sx ownership, and my s13 SP powered sr20det.

Not trying to bash, just open up some of your biased eyes.

Dr.
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You're the one that brought up the KA... If anyone here is biased... it's you. You say "STOCK" yet you also say FMIC and increased boost... what's stock about that? C'mon... now. Go back and re-read what I wrote... I said "a stock SR20DET, regardless of version... will be lucky to break out of 15's with a stock engine"... To add... I'm not doubting the SR20 with boost increase can get into the 13's with the stock turbo, but hardly at stock boost. I also think it's interesting you're gonna be running 12.5 soon. You currently are running mid 13's... and now down 1 full second all because of an LSD... and all this on the stock T25 turbine? These sorts of "guesses" is what riles me up sometimes.

When compared to the Celica, the 3SGTE makes a bit more power per psi because it has slightly higher static compression and a slightly better turbo... so a stock boost JDM 3SGTE (second gen), can potentially put a FF Celica into the mid-low 14's...

You can complain all you want about how biased us Celica folks are... but what the heck do you expect? You're on a celica forum. My reason for even posting in this discussion is to defend the Honda K... and now... you're totally mis-interpreting everything I'm saying in defense of your pride. I never even said anything about my buddie's SR20 240 (aside from it's not that fast)... yet you've managed to "guess" his time. I ask you your opinion about why you think a stock SR20DET can power a 240 into the 13's... yet all you can say is FMIC and increased boost. Do you have any idea what that sounds like?

[Kwanza26]

why do i always get the feeling that people on here like to bash the 3s swap. its the best mod i have dont to my car and totally changed the way i look at my car. the motor really feels like it belongs in the 6th gen, and makes you wonder why toyota never offered the 3s in a fwd car. sure there will always be a faster car, but with the boost at 14psi, you really feel like u can give anyone a good run for their money.
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You're right lagos... on the street, a 13-14 second car is not gonna get beaten... like ever... especially one with massive mid-range such as the 3SGTE. I shall say again, turbo 4 bangers will own just about everything from a roll. The only disparity between the opinions here, mainly yours and mine, is the standard for a fast car. Believe me lagos... I've contemplated (am still am contemplating), selling the MR2 and the Corolla and go for a 3SGTE swap. I hold very high praise for the 3SGTE.

[jgreening]

I have to agree with Lagos as well. Once you get the car dialed in, it screams. I had quite a few bumps at first but the car is so close to being perfect I can taste it. Oh, and by the way, when I reased my buddy's ITR, I didn't realize that I had a boost leak. There is no doubt my car would wipe his now - unfortunately, he sold it.

I would like to add that my sway bars were another one of my favorite mods. The cornering in this car is like riding in a go cart.

[97sccelica]

You celica people have your facts completly wrong.

I said a SR'd 240, not the KA, those are slow as a celica

I'll take your @ the track anyday of the week in my SR and I guarantee I'd smoke you. I'm going for 12.5 this year once I get my LSD

with swaps s13's are 2600 lbs, with the boost turned up like I said they run 200rwhp stock with a FMIC. And if your "Friends" 240sx ran HIGH 14's he's doing something wrong.

Yes Subaru's are similar but AWD you lose a buttload of HP due to AWD, and they are heavier.


MY facts are from my 3 years 0f 240sx ownership, and my s13 SP powered sr20det.

Not trying to bash, just open up some of your biased eyes.

Dr.
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so you have 200rwhp, something like that?

if you lived close i would race you any day, from a stop, from a slow roll, from a fast roll. i would even put money on it, why? 1.because i know pretty much exactly what your car has, you dont have LSD, so from a stop, i would slaughter you, and even if you did, i would turn on launch control and launch making 7psi at a dead stop, again, slaughter. from a roll, i have more power at the wheels than you do, with only a little more weight, but thats OK, i can still raise my boost more where as with stock fuel/turbo/ECU you cant take a s13 SR past 14psi i believe 2. i made my AUTOMATIC 1997 ST celica faster than a stock WRX. i have full confidence in my modding and tunning abilities.

by your terms of stock you could say my car is stock being that i still use the stock turbo. and RWD isnt leaps and bounds more efficient than AWD but my car does weigh more(although i doubt your car weighs 2600lbs), so our car should be pretty even from a roll, in your eyes. never the less, i am quite positive that what ever type of straight line acceleration you can try, my car is faster. let me get a hold of my friend with the s14, he has pretty much the same mods as you. i will race him from a roll, and get it on video. yea, an s14 weighs more, so lets say your car would be 1 car length ahead of his

a FMIC is a MAJOR modification
raising the boost to past 10psi on an SR is major considering 6psi is stock.

and do you have any proof of what your car can do? i guess your car has full turbo back exhaust, FMIC, oh lets say 12psi, intake and probably some nice tires and wheels. i dont doubt thats enough to get into the 13's, that, is beyond stock.

my friends 240 was stock, in every sense when it comes to a car that has had an engine swap. stock down pipe, stock 240sx exhaust, stock side mount, STOCK BOOST. Hell, he even still had the stock 240sx cat.

and i agree with kwanza, simply adding an LSD to your car wont bring you into the mid 12's from the mid 13's

[saleeka]

i have to say i get really irritaed with the "a modded ______ is faster than a stock_____" and trash along those lines... You can make any car faster with $$$, but it only can go so far depending on how good the car is in the first place. Yeah a 3SGTE celi prolly could keep up with a stock Type S, but put 3 G into the S and now its spanking your @ss again...

[AndyST4]

i have to say i get really irritaed with the "a modded ______ is faster than a stock_____" and trash along those lines... You can make any car faster with $$$, but it only can go so far depending on how good the car is in the first place. Yeah a 3SGTE celi prolly could keep up with a stock Type S, but put 3 G into the S and now its spanking your @ss again... 
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but a stock type s costs more than buying a celica and putting a 3s into it and I don't even know if a type-s with 3k into would give us trouble. I really don't think people have any idea how fast our cars actually are. In 1/4 i can see getting beat by a fairly fast car because my car is hard to launch but overall its fast

[saleeka]

yeah and its also a hell of a lot newer and nicer... like i ALREADY said- the car can only go so far within its parameters... If you want value buy an older lude and do an H22 swap- same concept as the 6GC and the 3S... plain and simple, my point was the RSX has better potential if you want to invest in it...

[FallenHero]

so how can a car that matches all of these others... run times a full second faster?

Magazine hype?
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naa, initial D hype.

[darksecret]

i have to say i get really irritaed with the "a modded ______ is faster than a stock_____" and trash along those lines... You can make any car faster with $$$, but it only can go so far depending on how good the car is in the first place. Yeah a 3SGTE celi prolly could keep up with a stock Type S, but put 3 G into the S and now its spanking your @ss again... 
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You also have to consider that a stock 7th gen GT-S isn't much worse than the RSX-S, the type-S is over rated just like most Hondas, I am not being biased i've owned or driven a number of Hondas and yes they are nice due to the aftermarket support and reliability, but the power numbers are exaggerated, and if the 5s had the same support as the B16 or the K20 we wouldn't need to discuss this. On the other hand if the 6th gens 3S had been offered in America we would own the turbo four market. Don't get me wrong Honda does own the N/A, there aren't any N/A fours like those, but the 3S is still the king of all fours, not much better and it is highly negotiable, but all around it's the best (this is if you keep the same characteristics such as bore and stroke, head flow,etc. anything after that and it's not even the same motor).

[easternpiro1]

okay guys...imhoping to get a 3sgte soon and dont flame me for this question,but when swapped into a st (formerly an auto) what would the whp be?

[darksecret]

okay guys...imhoping to get a 3sgte soon and dont flame me for this question,but when swapped into a st (formerly an auto) what would the whp be?
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What year did you say it was, either way probably 185 to 190. Let me check the motor out before you buy it, i'll try to get out there next weekend.

[prompt]

slap a t3 turbo on instead of the ct26 and run boost at 22psi. Low 13's is very possible.