HELP ME!!!, my older brother is a ricer... Options

[shin]

i'll take on the SI when my 5sfte is done ... but there's the 02 SI in brooklyn where 2 chicks drive it... it's Spoon tuned. they are really fast....

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Are you actually going to call the american celica a sports car? I think if it's a sports car it shouldn't get outrun by almost everything on the road. And I'm not talking about my personal driving skills, I'm talking about the numbers. Unless you go for the 3S swap, or do a turbo, you have nothing. I don't care if the car does handle well. I have a 94 GT with the sports supension package, and I must admit it does handle very nice, but handling will only get you so far.

[Mike]

tell him to save his money, get a 'real car'
something rwd

no point in getting 200+ whp if it's going to the wrong wheels

Just think about it, you put all that work into your car and when you take it to the track you'll become the laughing stock of the group when the car understeers itself off the damn asphalt...

if he wants to go fast, tell him to do it right

[OrbitalGT95]

tell him to save his money, get a 'real car'
something rwd

no point in getting 200+ whp if it's going to the wrong wheels

Just think about it, you put all that work into your car and when you take it to the track you'll become the laughing stock of the group when the car understeers itself off the damn asphalt...

if he wants to go fast, tell him to do it right 
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normally i would agree on this, however, i just heard from a friend of my who competed in an autox near his school(penn state) that the fast car on the track that day was a fwd car...im not sure what make and modle, but i do know it beat out a hand full 240sx's...really it depends on the driver...a fwd car can be just as good of a car if it's built right and the driver knows what he/she is doing...jus my two cents, but then again opinions are like assholes, everyone's got them and they all stink

[turboinduction]

Are you actually going to call the american celica a sports car?  I think if it's a sports car it shouldn't get outrun by almost everything on the road.  And I'm not talking about my personal driving skills, I'm talking about the numbers.  Unless you go for the 3S swap, or do a turbo, you have nothing.  I don't care if the car does handle well.  I have a 94 GT with the sports supension package, and I must admit it does handle very nice, but handling will only get you so far.
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I completely agree. The Celica isn't a sports car. Its a sporty compact. And run for run (as used in an example eariler) a stock Celica GT and a stock Civic EX are about equal in speed. Celica out handles, Civic out gas-pumps. And please understand that the Celica isn't a UBER-performer on the track stock. Yes it handles nice, but its no Evo. Now, you can boast about handling if you have a Mazda, but just take the good with this car. And the honda D16=bad people. OMG. Wake up buddies. The D16 is 10 times the engine the 5S wants to be. I have to agree that the ignorant "hondas suck" response is childlike in so many ways. And I dont even like Hondas!!!!

And to reinstate my thought - which of the two cars is still being made?

-Ti

[thedevilmaycrie]

ti- both are still being made please remember that the tc is a celica

[Drocay]

ti- both are still being made please remember that the tc is a celica
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yup TC = Toyota Celica

[H8DC3lica94]

hey dMc, why dont we just put my 4agze celica on the line with my d16 civic. You can drive which ever one you want. See which one out performs, and which motor im willing to blow. While were at it, lets put a bottle in the civic. That way, i can blow the motor and do a H22 turbo swap. But that will be after i transplant an eclipse gst motor into the laser.

This post has been edited by H8DC3lica94: Apr 16, 2005 - 4:08 AM

[97sccelica]

my boyfriend turbo'd his d16y8.. running 9psi he's almost at 240whp...
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dont the vtec d16's only have like 130hp at the crank?

that makes for like 110hp at the wheels.

i dont see how any turbo that a SOHC 1.6l engine could spool would make for a 130WHP gain at only 9psi

i might be able to belive 240 crank hp at 9psi, if it had a great tune

[turboinduction]

ti- both are still being made please remember that the tc is a celica
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I hope thats a joke

The Tc is a US-built car only. Celica is gone.

-Ti

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

ti- both are still being made please remember that the tc is a celica
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I hope thats a joke

The Tc is a US-built car only. Celica is gone.

-Ti
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Yes, but what engine's are they using?

[red_94gts]

ti- both are still being made please remember that the tc is a celica
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I hope thats a joke

The Tc is a US-built car only. Celica is gone.

-Ti
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Yes, but what engine's are they using?
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not the celica engine

[ghostdog]

its not the 5sfe but its still a camry engine. besides the 7g was a complete redesign and that was still a celica, tho I am still undecided as to the tc being a celi

not the celica engine
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[darksecret]

Are you actually going to call the american celica a sports car?  I think if it's a sports car it shouldn't get outrun by almost everything on the road.  And I'm not talking about my personal driving skills, I'm talking about the numbers.  Unless you go for the 3S swap, or do a turbo, you have nothing.  I don't care if the car does handle well.  I have a 94 GT with the sports supension package, and I must admit it does handle very nice, but handling will only get you so far.
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I completely agree. The Celica isn't a sports car. Its a sporty compact. And run for run (as used in an example eariler) a stock Celica GT and a stock Civic EX are about equal in speed. Celica out handles, Civic out gas-pumps. And please understand that the Celica isn't a UBER-performer on the track stock. Yes it handles nice, but its no Evo. Now, you can boast about handling if you have a Mazda, but just take the good with this car. And the honda D16=bad people. OMG. Wake up buddies. The D16 is 10 times the engine the 5S wants to be. I have to agree that the ignorant "hondas suck" response is childlike in so many ways. And I dont even like Hondas!!!!

And to reinstate my thought - which of the two cars is still being made?

-Ti
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I dont know if tC stands for Toyota Celica but it is the new Celica, Scion is trying to be Toyotas new sports line. I would hate to see what a tC can do to the new Si because there isn't much to the Civic. I know from experience that the new Si is extremely over rated.

[Consynx]

lol, Jack...im guessing that was the old civic hatchback that was boosted.
thing sure did fly around the bends...

could have been the mini though, the course was very tight

[95CelicaST]

The only way a civic engine is any good is to find yourself a nice 1970's Mini Cooper, and build the SH*T out of that.... we'll say b18c5 (type-R i believe, i wouldnt know as i dont care too much).. after your engine is built then throw it in the Mini (they have a b16 conversion kit) now what you have is a badas* little car. It weighs less, and therefore has more useable HP. The crappy thing about our Celi's is that they weigh so much, so our HP is too busy just trying to move its own fat as*... could you imagine a 3S in a Mini...... that would turn me on....

Matt

[Mr2_Joel]

a 3s in any car gets me excited

[turboinduction]

I dont know if tC stands for Toyota Celica but it is the new Celica, Scion is trying to be Toyotas new sports line. I would hate to see what a tC can do to the new Si because there isn't much to the Civic. I know from experience that the new Si is extremely over rated.
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Whoops, stand corrected.

What do I know - Its not like I work in the automotive industry.

Scion is NOT the SPORTS CAR Line. The next Supra wont be a Scion. The next Altezza is still badged an IS. Scions (ex. Tc) share their engines with the Toyota Echo. Yea, real sports cars there. They are cheap college cars. Get it right. The Tc is a 3000lb 160HP 2.4L cheap car. Its not a Celica. Its not replacing the Celica. Its not even built in Japan. Tc doesn't have to mean Toyota Celica. Could mean Toyota Coupe. The Coupe. True Coupe. Toyota Car. Hell, Tc is endless. Stop being silly people, and please please stop acting as if Mr. Toyota is your next door neighbor and gives you inside info we all dont know.

If you'd like to prove me wrong - find one article that says the Tc is a replacment to the Celica. Thanks.

EDIT: I sale Hondas. The Si is lightweight and also is 160. It eats the Tc up. And the new Si (2006) shares its beautiful design with the current RSX-S. So expect a coupe with 200+ ponies. Then again... not much to em' (blah!)

-Ti

This post has been edited by turboinduction: Apr 18, 2005 - 8:54 PM

[darksecret]

To answer you're comment on the tC vs. Si read the Car and Driver test and even though the tC is heavy it's almost as fast as the IS. I found that much on 1 minute of searching. The Si isn't much faster than a lightly modded 6th Gen GT, I know for a fact and from 70 up that extra gear doesn't help the Si's that I run against.

I also didn't say Sports Car line I said sports line i.e car, compact, probably utility vehicle at their rate.

2 minutes of searching and I got Motortrend

http://motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/112_05...ng/index21.html

Oh yeah and the Supra is not really a Supra, it's a Lexus (Toyotas excuse for raising the price on their cars) from what's going around the automotive world. Now Motortrend and Car and Driver aren't Mr. Toyota, but they aren't just any opinion.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 19, 2005 - 10:19 AM

[darksecret]

Hey DMC you could always tell him to build the motor up and keep the body completely stock, since everyone with a Honda thinks they need to put a friggin trash can under the rear bumper, he might be able to suprise some people with a fast car that sounds stock and looks plain. If he goes with that route just try not to put a big muffler or whatever Honda guys do, the Civic has about the worst sound of any import I know of, that high pitch 2 cycle weed eater sound.