Computers, I love when this stuff happens *sarcasm* Options

[prpnum1]

so true i hate the high price and lack of software but love the stability and performance of it.

[erics1one]

and to the guy that said video projects render faster on pc. uhhhh....negative. my mac will render any of my video projects twice as fast as a pc (and it never crashes in the middle of a project either)
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So all the industry leaders who are rendering on PC servers have been doing it wrong the whole time!?!?! LOL, I'll let Mr. Lucas and all his buddies know.

Man they could have save tons of money by being more time efficient

I guessing the truth to your situation is that your PC sucks. A G4 can smoke it? lol, thats too funny.

[lagos]

IBM makes mac chips and before then it was motorolla.

there is a reason why Intel and AMD are the market leaders for cpus, because they make faster and better chips then ibm or motorolla ever could. even apple finally realized that they cant compete with the performance of x86 architecture, and are going to convert over to it.

[erics1one]

Only thing that stands out to me where Macs are better than PCs is: Virus Protection & Spyware.

Although...
That does not = stability.

[prpnum1]

what industry leaders render on pcs???? Film hasnt really moved to macs yet but television is probably about 75 percent Apple (FCP) and growing.

This post has been edited by prpnum1: Jun 9, 2005 - 6:41 PM

[tomazws]

Pixar does everything on Macs now...

This post has been edited by tomazws: Jun 9, 2005 - 7:01 PM

[lagos]

sorry ... pixar and other companies may use macs or pcs for some of their workstations, but evertyhing gets renedered on an intel server farm running linux. it takes hours to rended one frame of the stuff pixar is doing. they basically have a room with hundrends of intel cpus that are chained together to try to rended single frames faster and faster.

[tomazws]

oh... I read an article about Pixar switched all their computers to Macs because Steve Jobs said so or something

[lagos]

probably some marketing. like apple gave them a bunch of macs for workstations so that they can tell people they use them. all the renedring is done on server farms with tons of linked cpus working on a single frame of animation. it tould take years for any single cpu (mac or pc) to render a movie like the stuff pixar does.

[Rjb23]

For all those that complain about virus's and adware. Your computer is only as secure as you make it. Don't allow active x for one, and don't open emails with attachments #2, and don't accept files from ppl you don't know #3, and don't go to porno sites or other sites loaded with adware, also install sp2 and use mozilla firefox. Install all your security updates.

People say lynux is so secure and that apple is secure but that is only because no one uses those OS's hardly so why right viruses for them and why learn how to hack those systems.

[x_itchy_b_x]

i love my G5. i have a dell also. i just use it for a few games and holding my music on the network. the mac on the other hand is for photo editing and 3d rendering for me.
i think in the half a year ive had my mac its crashed twice.. very stable machine. no system32 running in the background or w/e haha i hate my pc. people just like to hate macs. i dont mind. i never liked them till i got one.

[slipgun]

I work in a computer repair shop, we do macs and pc. I’m a pc guy, the macs are faster on less, period. Its not paper, cause mac processors look slower then pc. Just like AMD is by true numbers slower, a 3000+ is around 2.4 I believe? Yet it still hangs with a p4 3.06 ghz. The new mac os is Unix based, it uses ram better then windows 256 mb in an ibook goes a long way, 256 on a xp system? Think about upgrading today.

[Hanyo]

my reponce to the major move companies using PC's for video rendering.


Yes they do use a PC for video rendering, but they use linx shells to do all the editing. So its kinda like a mac, pretty much what a mac OS is based on.

But there have been stories of people installing xp on a mac and osX on pc.

Anyone try the 64bit windows yet? supposely the blue screen of death is replaced by a red screen of death.

is everyone basing there claims agianst macs on the older macs. Cuz i'm only supporting the new g5.

[erics1one]

For all those that complain about virus's and adware. Your computer is only as secure as you make it.
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Agree, I never have a problem with viruses or spyware, but the average user on a PC encounters 10x the amount of crap they get on MACs.

I work in a computer repair shop, we do macs and pc. I’m a pc guy, the macs are faster on less, period. Its not paper, cause mac processors look slower then pc. Just like AMD is by true numbers slower, a 3000+ is around 2.4 I believe? Yet it still hangs with a p4 3.06 ghz. The new mac os is Unix based, it uses ram better then windows 256 mb in an ibook goes a long way, 256 on a xp system? Think about upgrading today.
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You may know computer repair and what the 'numbers' say...but I'm not sure how much time you spend on the other end.

I use Maya, After Effects, Shake, Final Cut Pro, and Adobe Premiere to create CG Animation typically a short 2-3 minutes clip. All my work is rendered with high ray trace and shadows and it pushes things to the max. I spend 16 hours/week working on Maya 7.0 on my PC, and 4-5 hours/week working on MAC G4s.

...and thank god I don't have a MAC at home. My 20mb Maya files can hardly run on the MACs at school, viewport camera stalls and skips frames, graph editer crashes when a lot is selected, can't view hardware textures real time, and a ton of other stuff just bogs down. My PC at home, smooth and full functioning.

A single frame that would render in 2 minutes on my PC would take 5 minutes on the MAC G4.

Yes, I've used higher end MAC machines before...and yes they do run better real time and are smoother. But rendering times and hardcore processing is still a problem.

[darksecret]

and to the guy that said video projects render faster on pc. uhhhh....negative. my mac will render any of my video projects twice as fast as a pc (and it never crashes in the middle of a project either)
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So all the industry leaders who are rendering on PC servers have been doing it wrong the whole time!?!?! LOL, I'll let Mr. Lucas and all his buddies know.

Man they could have save tons of money by being more time efficient

I guessing the truth to your situation is that your PC sucks. A G4 can smoke it? lol, thats too funny.
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He's probably running a Compaq Prolinea, j/k. I think Sony let Lucas use the Cell Processor on their systems, but they did use Windows (or a form of it).

[erics1one]

I think Sony let Lucas use the Cell Processor on their systems, but they did use Windows (or a form of it).
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Really? Where ya hear that? That would be an interesting read. Would love to see how much faster things are getting done in their developments.

...but yeah...even with that they're gonna be running Linux/Windows, never a MAC.

[lagos]

macs are based on unix and old os that has been around since the 60s ... linux is a based on the ideas of unix but its totally new code. the idea was to make a free version of an os that worked like unix but wasnt as expensive to own.

the reason why linux is so popular with movie companies is becasue its open source code and the os does very well at running a cluster. the people that work for the movie studios can rewrite any part of the operating system and change it to meet their needs. they can also take 100 computers and join them together as one cluster so that they can all share the workload of rendering high quality frames of video.

so you see, linux and mac are really not the same thing, even thos they are based on the ideas of unix.

[darksecret]

I think Sony let Lucas use the Cell Processor on their systems, but they did use Windows (or a form of it).
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Really? Where ya hear that? That would be an interesting read. Would love to see how much faster things are getting done in their developments.

...but yeah...even with that they're gonna be running Linux/Windows, never a MAC.
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I can't remember, but it could have been for Sky Captain also. I seen it on TV they took a bunch of Cell Processors and slapped them in a black box, they said it weighs like 110 lbs.

[prpnum1]

in my post i said that film does not use mac really for anything. the VIDEO world (most television) is probably about 75% apple. including rendering the projects. film/video are two very very different things.