Scion TC Options

[fastgt]

the only reasons its called the tc is because they couldnt use the badge XC , volvo already has that in the xc90 and xc70 .

theres no connection to the tc and celica

[darksecret]

If you're talking about looks the tC takes a lot of inspiration from the Volvo S40 styling, of course it's not as nimble as a Cooper it could easily hold it's own in the Euro market if the gearing is changed, not to mention it comes with the Hotchkis suspension package which is a major improvement over the stock suspension. The stock suspension still managed to net it .81 on the skid pad (where the Cooper S had a .85) I say shave a couple hundred pounds and you've got a car that would smoke the Cooper S anytime, anywhere, but for a bump over 3,000 lbs. it still holds well. For the comment on the tC having nothing to do with the Celica, well we got a large displacment, FE head, high torque, with a Camry motor car that every review company out there is saying is the Celicas replacement I think i'll be on that side of the fence, the only thing that doesn't have anything to do with a US Celica is the weight (GT-Four was heavy but it had a good excuse), it has the tradition (if you could call it that) of the 6th gen GT, styling and power similar to a 7th gen GT-S and the weight of the GT-Four (which isn't a good thing), the tC thing is still coinsidence.

Nevermind the gearing it has a top speed of 127 (ironic ours is 125) and it's governed so remove the govener and that's about 130-135, I also heard rumors of a 6 speed option so maybe the tC will break worldwide in 2006 or 2007, you must consider whether it was made for the US or not it's not a BMW or Porshce it's still a Japanese car developed for all coutries (from our measily little speed limits to the 100 mph average on the autobahn, it does do 100 at around 4,000 rpm in fifth, woo ooh ooh spooky that's what the 6th gen is around).

This post has been edited by darksecret: Jun 23, 2005 - 9:30 PM

[Cutrara]

the only reasons its called the tc is because they couldnt use the badge XC , volvo already has that in the xc90 and xc70 .

theres no connection to the tc and celica
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Yeah, thats in that article I posted. I think tC sounds better anyway lol.

[Rjb23]

IMO the base model can look bland in the wrong color and stock wheels. As far as motor it uses the 160 hp 2AZ-FE from the Camry which has enough a** to beat an IS from a roll so the extra 40 hp from the supercharger can put it into the SRT-4 range. Right now the SC isn't on the options list, so maybe for '06.
BTW since this is a Scion question, isn't the xA a rebadged Vitz?
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LMAO you kill me, that was the best laugh I've had all day!
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what's so funny?

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If he is talking about the IS300 I doubt a tc will take it. And I know for a fact that it won't take a srt-4, super charged or not. The SC only puts the tc at 200 hp, and it is not gonna come close to a srt4 that is under rated in hp and is a much lighter car.

[darksecret]

The IS300 puts out 215 hp and does the quarter in 15.3, the tC is at 15.7, as i've said before from a stop the IS wins, from a roll the tC will win. As for the SRT-4, I can be wrong about it, it also determines the amount of torque that the supercharger option will produce, the tC is slightly more bloated and would have 30 less horsepower, if the torque is in similar standing to the SRT then I could see the tC be a few tenths of a second slower, now with a change of the pully I could see the tC take the SRT, but there are no test performed with the supercharger so this is just guess work, who knows the blower might only shave a half second off the quarter.

[Akimbo]

You can't compare the SRT4 and the SC TC

[darksecret]

I know I technically can't because it hasn't been tested yet, but the only real difference is a few pounds and 30 hp, don't know the tq yet. They both have forced induction, they both weigh very close to the same with close power numbers, and they both are low cost pocket rockets, it's all on who can crank the most boost. If Toyota wanted the tC has enough factory potential to smoke an SRT and still cost less. I also noticed that almost all testing done was with factory equiped options only, there is no telling how the dealer options will effect the blowers ability to produce power, since there aren't any accurate numbers on if the intake and exhaust raise power.

[lagos]

http://scionspeed.com/

their turbo kit should help you smoke a lot of people

[darksecret]

No joke, those things mean.

[Rjb23]

I know I technically can't because it hasn't been tested yet, but the only real difference is a few pounds and 30 hp, don't know the tq yet. They both have forced induction, they both weigh very close to the same with close power numbers, and they both are low cost pocket rockets, it's all on who can crank the most boost. If Toyota wanted the tC has enough factory potential to smoke an SRT and still cost less. I also noticed that almost all testing done was with factory equiped options only, there is no telling how the dealer options will effect the blowers ability to produce power, since there aren't any accurate numbers on if the intake and exhaust raise power.
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Your are forgetting that the srt4 is under rated. It is rated at what 235hp but in actuallity it is at about 245. I'm not saying the tc is slow heck I would take one, but after you ad the SC and all the options and stuff it is going to be close to a $24k car. Check out their website and build your own then add 5k to that for the SC.

[darksecret]

Yeah I did the options yesterday and a loaded one is about $26,000. I know the 4 is under rated, but obviously the tC is also (which isn't uncommon of Toyota to do), how is a 3,000 lbs. car with 160 hp actually running near an IS300, torque will make the difference here, it's why the tC is much heavier yet still outruns the Si.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Jun 24, 2005 - 1:06 PM

[Rjb23]

Yeah I did the options yesterday and a loaded one is about $26,000. I know the 4 is under rated, but obviously the tC is also (which isn't uncommon of Toyota to do), how is a 3,000 lbs. car with 160 hp actually running near an IS300, torque will make the difference here, it's why the tC is much heavier yet still outruns the Si.
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Toyota doesn't under rate their hp number usually, they typically over rate them.

[darksecret]

On what, the Supra Turbo is underrated due to the horsepower cap in Japan just like the Skyline, you can't say the US Celica is overrated because it's crappy transmission waste more power than it's worth. Before I put my foot in my mouth i'll wait until the results come up and judge then, I could be wrong, i'm excellent at comparing power numbers to see who might win, but it's to early to tell.

[Kwanza26]

On what, the Supra Turbo is underrated due to the horsepower cap in Japan just like the Skyline, you can't say the US Celica is overrated because it's crappy transmission waste more power than it's worth. Before I put my foot in my mouth i'll wait until the results come up and judge then, I could be wrong, i'm excellent at comparing power numbers to see who might win, but it's to early to tell.
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Supra turbo in Japan and Supra turbo in the US are two different beasts. They use different turbos as a starter...

BTW... the Civic SI has an econo motor also. Lower compression, VTEC-E... but that motor can be opened up with little bolt-ons and an ECU flash. Typically speaking, Toyota engines gain very little from bolt-on modifications. If you're comparing ONLY stock numbers... well, if you like low-end torque... buy the Scion tC. Some people want a sports car to feel sporty... instead of feeling like mom's camry ya know... The fact is... Toyota has NOT made a true enthusiats car in quite a while. The 7th gen GTS was a relative stab at the sports enthusiast market... but still behind the competition and basically recieved zero support from toyota. It is more popular in Japan though, with a lot of engine parts available. Some may argue the Supra was an enthusiast car... but with a 40-50K pricetag... I'd say no. It was a sports car...

I'll give this to the tC... it looks very good, and it's cheap. It has good power and most drivers will be satisfied with that sort of "feel"... it has great forced induction potential... only thing it doesn't have... a sporty feel. When I drove it... felt just like a typical Toyota sedan. Not really an exciting drive.

[darksecret]

I can agree with you there Kwanza IMO the tC is bland (looks good when modded), it's a nice pocket rocket but to me it felt like I was in an Eclipse which also suffers from being heavy (albeit not as spacious as the tC either). I feel that if Toyota could shave the weight it could have a serious contender against cars like the SRT-4 and RSX-S, but my personnal flaw is looking at the underdog and seeing it's capability which the tC is full of, instead of comparing to it's own class (Si, SVT Focus, Mazda 3S, and Cooper) which it seems to be dominating so far.

[Kwanza26]

I can agree with you there Kwanza IMO the tC is bland (looks good when modded), it's a nice pocket rocket but to me it felt like I was in an Eclipse which also suffers from being heavy (albeit not as spacious as the tC either). I feel that if Toyota could shave the weight it could have a serious contender against cars like the SRT-4 and RSX-S, but my personnal flaw is looking at the underdog and seeing it's capability which the tC is full of, instead of comparing to it's own class (Si, SVT Focus, Mazda 3S, and Cooper) which it seems to be dominating so far.
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The weight problem is that damn glass roof... abeit it's pretty damn cool... but it adds at least 400-500 pounds or extra glass, reinforcment... etc. I'm still considering one. I could sell my AE86 for 5-6K... put 3K down on a new tC... then buy a new project car (1st gen Miata) with the other 3K... ooo...

[darksecret]

Exactly what I was thinking, I would have much rather seen the roof as an option, Toyota should realize this isn't an SUV.

[Rjb23]

On what, the Supra Turbo is underrated due to the horsepower cap in Japan just like the Skyline, you can't say the US Celica is overrated because it's crappy transmission waste more power than it's worth. Before I put my foot in my mouth i'll wait until the results come up and judge then, I could be wrong, i'm excellent at comparing power numbers to see who might win, but it's to early to tell.
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Most of the 4a engines are said to be over rated.

Toyota is just not a "enthusiast" car manufacturere as kwanza put it, they are more of a sedan type of car manufacturer, if that makes since. Older demographic I guess is what I am trying to say, with the scion line they are obviously trying to appeal to a younger demographic, look at their commercials.