Kanye West Options

[acenova]

wow how about Oprah!!! we as a nation should apoligize to the victoms!!! wtf is that...shes on crack, we didnt cuz this hurricane did we!!! shes donating 1 million dollars, wow thats a kick in the bucket, why dont she help move the victoms into one of her mansions. Oprah is a major retard now.
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You know what, maybe what oprah said wasn't the smartest thing in the world. But at least she gave A LOT of ****in' money to the relief effort. You're on here preaching about how people should do something more than give money, I wanna see you fly to New Orleans and fish someone out yourself. HOw about you put up your house as a shelter to the victims. I would be surprised if you even did so much as to volunteer at the shelters they set up, or volunteer some of YOUR time to the relief effort. I'm not saying I've done anything either, but don't come across those who ARE doing more than your lazy ass and insulting them. Oprah may not have chosen the right words, but AT LEAST shes more a part of the relief effort than someone who likes to come in on forums and tell EVERYBODY ELSE exactly how they're not doing ****, or those who are doing something, how they're not doing enough because they can't put them up, or don't. Alright, don't listen to the words but look at the actions.

As for Bush Sr. and that whole issue, who knows, it could go on as publicity or simply maybe he does give a damn. I don't really care what reasons they're doing it for, so long as they are doing it. You really think most of these celebrities would be giving money if there wasn't at least publicity, or rather criticism for not doing anything. DO you really think Bush Sr. or Jr. or even Clinton for that matter, if they weren't in, or formerly in the positions they are or were in, would be a part of this relief effort. It doesn't matter whether they care, because no one will ever know if they truly care except God and themselves. All that matters is that they're doing something.

Unfortunately, I have no money to donate, but I do when I can. Unfortunately, a series of events has happened in my life to where I have to take a lot of time to straighten my life out. So no, I haven't helped, but don't come in here and bash on ANYONE who has done something, especially if you yourself have done nothing.

Thats my two cents, if you don't like it keep it to yourself, because thats all I'm saying on this topic.

EDIT: For those who can't help for their own reasons, simple lack of resources or whatever, there is still a way to help the victims... Pray. Pray to God for them. A lot of you are against the idea of God or don't believe he exists, and thats fine. I'm not here to force religion or belief on you. But do it for them. Do it for the people there who do believe and need prayers and need something to believe in because as of now, thats all they have is belief. These people have lost everything in their life, all they have is God. Right now, your prayers are not about your beliefs or your oppositions, its about your fellow man and woman who need them, and need to believe because w/o belief in God for them, they have nothing left to live for...

This post has been edited by acenova: Sep 7, 2005 - 5:05 PM

[tin_foil]

^^^ dude, some of what you said was good, or at least food for thought. But chill out. We don't want this to turn into a bashing session. Then pressue2 will have to come close the topic.

[LewFX]

if i was rich and had a house i would, if i can take time off my job, i would. but the reality is i cant. as far as me helping out, i do. i have helped many handicapped, homeless and others when i could. i have donated food, money and gave handicapped rides to church. dont tell me i dont do anything.

[acenova]

haha, yea, sorry. Got carried away, but thats just where I'm gonna leave it at. But read the EDIT part to please. I don't want to turn this into an argument, I'm off this topic as writing and only reading from here on out.

[DmVinny]

Ok first of all on Kanye West's defense he is a musical genius, there is no arguing that. If you dont like hip-hop that's fine, but do not attempt to degrade someone because of their genre of music.

And in hip hop/rap's defense. Look at heavy metal I mean wtf, anyone can get on a microphone and scream to the top of their lungs, thats not music.

Now as far as Bush goes he is a complete idiot. Our troops went to Iraq to war for the sole purpose of Bush's re-election, nothing more nothing less. There are so many other tactics the US could use in order to put a stop to terrorism, but Bush had to make it a spectical for his own ego. How many more soldiers will die to serve his idiotic purpose? Another thing 90% of his press conferences are pure bull****, he never gets to the point, his answer arent straight forward and he basically talks around the subject at hand. He never generally looks people in the face when he speaks.

[FallenHero]

Ok first of all on Kanye West's defense he is a musical genius, there is no arguing that. If you dont like hip-hop that's fine, but do not attempt to degrade someone because of their genre of music.

And in hip hop/rap's defense. Look at heavy metal I mean wtf, anyone can get on a microphone and scream to the top of their lungs, thats not music.

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true enough, but much rap today is glorifying drug dealing, sex, killing, and other such vices. young inner-city kids are hearing it and taking it as a bible. They are, in effect, taking the chance of success away from the kids.

EDIT: Or so is my opinion.

This post has been edited by FallenHero: Sep 7, 2005 - 6:37 PM

[DmVinny]

True, but remember most rock , heavy metal glorifies drugs, satanism, sex, and killing as well.

Btw, Rap and Hip-Hop are two different things.


This post has been edited by DmVinny: Sep 7, 2005 - 6:39 PM

[macavely]

Ok first of all on Kanye West's defense he is a musical genius, there is no arguing that. If you dont like hip-hop that's fine, but do not attempt to degrade someone because of their genre of music.

And in hip hop/rap's defense. Look at heavy metal I mean wtf, anyone can get on a microphone and scream to the top of their lungs, thats not music.

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true enough, but much rap today is glorifying drug dealing, sex, killing, and other such vices. young inner-city kids are hearing it and taking it as a bible. They are, in effect, taking the chance of success away from the kids.

EDIT: Or so is my opinion.
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as an inner city kid... i have to disagree with that... rap does not glorify drug dealing sex and killing ... the message in 90 percent of the songs are mis understood by people outside of the target group .. inner city kids... and 99 percent of the stuff everyone else gets on MTV -BET is garbage..

[FallenHero]

True, but remember most rock , heavy metal glorifies drugs, satanism, sex, and killing as well.

Btw, Rap and Hip-Hop are two different things.
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drugs are no longer, that was more along the lines of the 80's. Sex is a given in music, that I agree with. Killing I have not heard with the same referances as in rap, (same with sex)

But satanism? come on man, we don't all listen to manson.

[LuDaChRiS]

Along with DmVinny, it's fine if you wanna bash Kanye for his politicking, but if you're gonna bash rap/hip-hop/African Americans in general for his statements, then Rap is not all money/cash/hos/cars etc. That's what you hear on the radio, and not even the majority. And Kanye doesn't even rap hardcore about all that. Try Master P. As for rappers donating they're money, hey, it's they're money. I mean yes they have 203912084x more than we do but at the same time not all rappers can afford to give away a cool million. If they are giving something, it's good of them.

I've heard/read countless arguments on Kanye's comments, but the one I've most agreed with is "It aint about racism, it should be "Bush doesn't care about poor people" and to an extent I agree. Hurricanes pass through Florida, Texas, the Southeast, and it's a blip on the news. Shoot even here in L.A., when the rains were comin down hard the past winter, they made sure they got out of those multimillion dollar homes before it collapsed. But this hurricane was so utterly devastating, and considering a majority of NO is poverty, relatively speaking they got hosed. The people who stayed, they stayed because where were they going to go? How were they going to get there? I heard that bus transportation was cut off two days before mandatory evacuation was called. How are the people living in severe poverty gonna get out of the city? With what car? Bus? Fly? NO gets a for that one.

Now it would be easy to blame it on Bush, even though I am a liberal/moderate there is way too much blind-Bush bashing from my generation and I can recognize that. But on this one...it's like all of em dropped the ball here. Local, state, federal. Local govt. for not making sure the citizens were safe. State for not making sure the area was stable and for its' crap-assed disaster management. Federal for not assisting fast enough (Come on, G-Dub was still on vacation a week into the hurricane). But let's just say they all effed up.

Just my opinion. If you think I'm an idiot, lets argue. I like debate

Food for thought: This kind of thing is what Kanye was talkin about, and he had a point:

[BlackCelicaGT94]

why are we even wasting our time even reading anything Kanye West has to say? The man runs around with angel wings and thinks he's Jesus because he got shot. Half the rappers in this country have been shot. I believe it's a requirement. In order to make an unheard of amount of money and talk really fast you must be shot. I personally think he should shut his mouth and donate some of his money. Ever watch cribs? These morons have more money then they know what to do with, how about you donate some of it? If i had more time i could go on, but i'll save you guys the headache. 
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He got shot?? I know he was in a car accident that he should have died in but he was shot?? when??


Also - I think the truth is BUSH DOESNT CARE ABOUT POOR PEOPLE!

[LuDaChRiS]

^ you're right, he wasnt shot, he was in a car crash. Maybe she was thinkin of 50 "shot 9 times" Cent.

[Supersprynt]

Why dont you people look past the damn name and see that he's just another one of the people of this country who spoke about the things that nobody else wants to talk about how this country right now is so screwed up its prioritites backwards and mixed up how a country led by someone who cares not about the people of this country (unless they are rich white folks) and not about avoiding disasters but being a "good ol' boy" and was vacationing and even after the hurricane struck was playing golf in CA. Who pulled out an excellent FEMA leader who was appointed by Clinton and inserted someone with no emergency experience whatsoever, cuts FEMA funding, refuses to give LA prevention help for something they saw as a danger years ago.

We wanted to impeach Clinton for lying about getting ass in the oval office but we dont dare speak of kicking Bush out even after the death of thousands of Americans here and over seas in disasters forseen and warned about to watch him and his lack of an administration screw up time and time again. What happened to the activists which we so dearly need here today? This nation does nothing but turn its back on those which who are really in dire need of help and point fingers instead of sitting and thinking "oh its hard being president." Of course its hard, but if you cant do the job you better not be holding the office and Bush has clearly NOT done his job.

Enough of the bickering just see how awful this Bush-led government is treating the nation, look how big of a mess this country is in.

[Pali_playa]

^to add on your statement super

wow how about Oprah!!! we as a nation should apoligize to the victoms!!! wtf is that...shes on crack, we didnt cuz this hurricane did we!!! shes donating 1 million dollars, wow thats a kick in the bucket, why dont she help move the victoms into one of her mansions. Oprah is a major retard now.
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no the US didnt cause the hurricane but guess what. the goverment was neglegent in every aspect of dealing with this

1)it took 5 days for president bush to respond and send any kind of help down there. funny that hes "great" at "saving" other countries but he cant even help his own

2)the president of FEMA was not qualified at all to do his job..guess who appointed him?

thats right kids bush

3)did u know that 10 years ago there was reaseach on the levy's of New orleans and the research showed that the levy's could only withstand a cat 3 hurricane?

did you know that there was a plan and a budget in affect to rebuild the levys and strengthen them

DID YOU KNOW that in the plan after a hurricane hit new orleans that there were supposed to be medical vessels and food vessels waiting on sea to be able to go in ASAP?

do you know where that plan went? it dissapeared magically when bush came into office.

Did you know that there was another study that showed that new orleans was gonna get hit? might not have been 2 years ago, might not have been 1 year but guess what it happned

so bush had information but ignored it and concentrated on issues THAT DID NOT NEED TO BE DEALED WITH ASAP(IE Iraq)

4)BUSH ORDERED TROOPS TO SHOOT. what kind of prez is this? the freakin people are tryin to survive. sh!t i would steal food to, ITS HUMAN INTSTINCT(sp?)

and LEWfx of course its hard but if ur elected that should mean ur capable of dealing with this stuff. its not like hes the first prez of the US.




In summary the US(bush) KNEW this was gonna happen and ignored it, and they were not prepared. THATS why its the govts fault

This post has been edited by Pali_playa: Sep 7, 2005 - 9:26 PM

[zachattack15]

I dont know all about this political crap and everything, what I do know is what they show locally is different from what they show yall. I live in Baton Rouge, 50 miles from new orleans and the local news down here shows the good things that are happening, seems like when I see CNN or anything that shows the rest of the world what is going on its all bad stuff. There is so many good things going into helping these people. We own two houses and the one we are not living in currently has 3 families from New Orleans living in it for free. We are paying the 1200 dollar a month note for them. I have also gone down and helped out at the shelters. So many people are doing good things. Its sad that the news focuses mostly on the bad.

[BlackCelicaGT94]

my local news is not showing the bad stuff and i watch dateline and they are showing the good and bad!!!

Oh and i think i heard something about today in a meeting the war was first talked about then came the hurricane issue..hmmmm...kinda messed up! both equally important but i think the hurricane should come first

[ILuvMyCelica95]

why are we even wasting our time even reading anything Kanye West has to say? The man runs around with angel wings and thinks he's Jesus because he got shot. Half the rappers in this country have been shot. I believe it's a requirement. In order to make an unheard of amount of money and talk really fast you must be shot. I personally think he should shut his mouth and donate some of his money. Ever watch cribs? These morons have more money then they know what to do with, how about you donate some of it? If i had more time i could go on, but i'll save you guys the headache. 
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He got shot?? I know he was in a car accident that he should have died in but he was shot?? when??


Also - I think the truth is BUSH DOESNT CARE ABOUT POOR PEOPLE!
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oh i don't know. who cares. I'm just not going to talk anymore.

and as much as I am more republican then democrat I agree that Bush is not doing his job well. But I also dont know enough information to form any type of valid debate on the issue. I don't think us arguing about it is going to solve anything. The only thing we can do is help in any way we can.

This post has been edited by ILuvMyCelica95: Sep 7, 2005 - 10:17 PM

[DmVinny]

You go from bashing kanye and other rapper's to shutting your mouth? Bottom line is this, you are right everyone should try to help but the biggest help for those people was the government which took their sweet ass time. And the information is right their on every tv station and expression of now homeless people who resided there.

Back to your comments prior about rappers requiring to be shot. You just contridicted yourself when you spoke about not having enough information to form a valid debate, you know JACK **** about rappers therefore your comments are pointless. Myself being a DJ for quite along time now deal with rappers everyday. From spinning with them on stage, to dropping some striving rappers demo out to an audience. They all had to start somewhere, some might of been drug dealers some might of just had stars in their eyes, but none the less they decided to do something with their lives and express it through music. Not everyone lives in a so called protective community (which Im guessing you have). I lived in NY for 23 years hung out in the best and the worst of NY watched friends get shot who didnt deserve it, and watched friends shoot people who didnt deserve it, and i've also been shot at, life is rough not everyone lives in a good area. Truth is people adapt to their environment just like animals. Some have no choice but to live there and some do anything to get out.

Stop stereotyping people, it's completely idiotic and immature.

[ILuvMyCelica95]

You go from bashing kanye and other rapper's to shutting your mouth? Bottom line is this, you are right everyone should try to help but the biggest help for those people was the government which took their sweet ass time. And the information is right their on every tv station and expression of now homeless people who resided there.

Back to your comments prior about rappers requiring to be shot. You just contridicted yourself when you spoke about not having enough information to form a valid debate, you know JACK **** about rappers therefore your comments are pointless. Myself being a DJ for quite along time now deal with rappers everyday. From spinning with them on stage, to dropping some striving rappers demo out to an audience. They all had to start somewhere, some might of been drug dealers some might of just had stars in their eyes, but none the less they decided to do something with their lives and express it through music.  Not everyone lives in a so called protective community (which Im guessing you have). I lived in NY for 23 years hung out in the best and the worst of NY watched friends get shot who didnt deserve it, and watched friends shoot people who didnt deserve it, and i've also been shot at, life is rough not everyone lives in a good area. Truth is people adapt to their environment just like animals. Some have no choice but to live there and some do anything to get out.

Stop stereotyping people, it's completely idiotic and immature.
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Ok, please don’t insult me, you don’t know where I grew up and you don’t know enough about me to make your assumptions. This is exactly the reason why I said I wasn’t going to talk anymore because it is inevitable that someone is going to be rude. I know enough to know that people with little or no talent are making more money then people who are out there saving lives. I know people who have had to struggle to get where they are today and that’s just gigging in the City wherever they can, I have met so many talented people who can’t make it as anything big but people wrapping about thongs make millions. I love music, it is a large part of my life and I respect a lot of people for what they do but I have little or no respect for the majority of rappers who rap about nonsense.

[macavely]

You go from bashing kanye and other rapper's to shutting your mouth? Bottom line is this, you are right everyone should try to help but the biggest help for those people was the government which took their sweet ass time. And the information is right their on every tv station and expression of now homeless people who resided there.

Back to your comments prior about rappers requiring to be shot. You just contridicted yourself when you spoke about not having enough information to form a valid debate, you know JACK **** about rappers therefore your comments are pointless. Myself being a DJ for quite along time now deal with rappers everyday. From spinning with them on stage, to dropping some striving rappers demo out to an audience. They all had to start somewhere, some might of been drug dealers some might of just had stars in their eyes, but none the less they decided to do something with their lives and express it through music.  Not everyone lives in a so called protective community (which Im guessing you have). I lived in NY for 23 years hung out in the best and the worst of NY watched friends get shot who didnt deserve it, and watched friends shoot people who didnt deserve it, and i've also been shot at, life is rough not everyone lives in a good area. Truth is people adapt to their environment just like animals. Some have no choice but to live there and some do anything to get out.

Stop stereotyping people, it's completely idiotic and immature.
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Ok, please don’t insult me, you don’t know where I grew up and you don’t know enough about me to make your assumptions. This is exactly the reason why I said I wasn’t going to talk anymore because it is inevitable that someone is going to be rude. I know enough to know that people with little or no talent are making more money then people who are out there saving lives. I know people who have had to struggle to get where they are today and that’s just gigging in the City wherever they can, I have met so many talented people who can’t make it as anything big but people wrapping about thongs make millions. I love music, it is a large part of my life and I respect a lot of people for what they do but I have little or no respect for the majority of rappers who rap about nonsense.
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just need to say this..... the majority of rapper you see on tv are saying nothing ...but the majority of rappers are not rich ... are not talking about nothing ... work normal jobs during the week... a ever selcet few make it big and they make it big cause young white kids buy their cd's and go to their concerts ...i could give you the names ot 20 rappers that are better then 50cent eminem ect but no one on this site has ever heard of.... tina i have nothing but love for you .. but what you said about kanye earlier showed you know nothing about the man...yea he had a big mouth and an even bigger head ... but you have to know what he has gone throgh and how he has done to help to understand his comments and reasons for saying them..