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post May 13, 2004 - 2:58 PM
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QUOTE (Supersprynt @ May 13, 2004 - 8:24 AM)
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dont try to race a neon srt4.  you will get your ass handed to you(unless you are turbo or have an engine swap)

frown.gif You're a little too late for that. I had to find out the hard way. frown.gif

You lost to an SRT4 with your 3s swap??

The SRT4 has 230hp w/250lbs torque. The 250 is where u get stomped. But also they weigh 2900lbs. 0-60 @ 5.9s and 1/4 mile @ 14.5s.

Compare that to a 3sgte Celica. My GT is around 2700lbs w/225 stock hp. Turn the boost up easily to 235-240.

Seems like a good race to me?

that was way before he did the swap, lol

funny how the months and days lined up pretty well


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post May 13, 2004 - 3:03 PM
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how can u call the car a gt2? thats a porsche! celica turbo would be better


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post May 13, 2004 - 3:04 PM
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Also OOBE...Your Supra weighs more than a Non-turbo 3000GT.

88 turbo supra manual = 3530
93 N/A 3000GT= Base model =3307 SL=3461

Real heavy huh? Kinda weird how everyone thinks that all 3000GT's are heavy just because the VR-4's are 3800lbs. They may be heavy compared to a celica but they really arent very heavy when it comes to it.


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post May 13, 2004 - 3:12 PM
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no, but they do use electronics to control most of the handling of the car, hence not so pleasurable to drive


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post May 13, 2004 - 3:15 PM
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HUH??? What are the talking about? They have electronic controled suspension (ie Sport and touring modes) just like corvettes. That is a really nice feature and stiffens or softens the suspension depending on what you want. The Vr-4's are All wheel steering which is not electronic but does help cornering. That all they have...


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post May 13, 2004 - 3:20 PM
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yep cos corvettes handle great dont they......

dont they have eletronically controlled diffs?

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post May 13, 2004 - 3:23 PM
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yeap... and 3000GT's are pretty fun to drive also! i have Intrax springs and new kyb-gr2's on mine and it handles awesome! It didnt handle too bad stock either though.


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interesting, ive never driven one so apologies, not cussing your car just going on wat ive read and seen, i had a 3000gt try to keep up with me once on a bit of a twisty road section near where i live. he was struggling big time. probably a crap driver then


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post May 13, 2004 - 3:28 PM
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no?? Vr-4's have two limited slip differentials..probably what the GT-4 has


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post May 13, 2004 - 3:29 PM
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QUOTE (uzthedentist @ May 13, 2004 - 8:26 PM)
interesting, ive never driven one so apologies, not cussing your car just going on wat ive read and seen, i had a 3000gt try to keep up with me once on a bit of a twisty road section near where i live. he was struggling big time. probably a crap driver then

if it was a non-turbo then im sure it was probably hard for him to keep up with your gt-4. You car is what? a mid 14sec car stock?


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post May 13, 2004 - 3:31 PM
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here is some info on the Vr-4 AWD system..
http://www.stealth316.com/2-awd.htm

You know anything about the gt-4 system?


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yeah but my 4 has over 300bhp lol.

yeah the 4 has a mechanical rear torsen limited slip diff and superstrut suspension. Im also running bigger strut braces all round and a fat rear anti roll bar to eliminate understeer


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post May 13, 2004 - 3:55 PM
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the joys of turbo smile.gif


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post May 13, 2004 - 3:56 PM
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RE: the VR4 @20lbs, i dont really kno the exact pressure he was pushing it was up there tho. I'll ask either today or not. THe car is stock except for filter and boost controller.


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no more than 14psi


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post May 13, 2004 - 4:03 PM
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haha. I think its over 14 but who knows. He isnt exactly the best to this car frown.gif


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QUOTE (bufferdan @ May 13, 2004 - 12:56 PM)
what?? did they make a new 3000gt in the last year smile.gif IT really doesnt matter..what matters is the information is wrong and the thread never actually was finished...thats why i brought it up.

Anyways..a VR-4 doesnt weigh that much more than any of the other cars in its class..what are TT supra's and 300zx's?? 3600lbs?? Whooppy... Somedrivers weigh almost 300lbs right there smile.gif

A VR-4 running 20psi safely is a very modded vr-4...we are talking around 500 hp or more most likely.

OOBE: You cant compare a Forced induction car to a N/A...there are plenty of VR-4's laying down over 400 ALL WHEEL HORSEPOWER.
170hp at the wheels for a N/A is about right..Go dyno a GT celica and see what you get. Not enough to keep with a N/A 3000GT... My g/f knows what i did to her celica GT just up to 50mph smile.gif

I would still rather have a toyota supra over a vr-4 anyday though... supras seem to have better high performance reliability over mitsubishi's.

How am I comparing a forced induction car with an NA? I mentioned that the 3000GT SL has about 170 WHP...so ToyCeli8 would take him...power to weight ratio...that's why I wrote the horsepower...and I wrote mine to specify which day it was, because I took my car to the dyno 3 times, so I wanted to specify which time it was, hehe. tongue.gif


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I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often...
post May 13, 2004 - 5:04 PM
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QUOTE (bufferdan @ May 13, 2004 - 1:04 PM)
Also OOBE...Your Supra weighs more than a Non-turbo 3000GT.

88 turbo supra manual = 3530
93 N/A 3000GT= Base model =3307 SL=3461

Real heavy huh? Kinda weird how everyone thinks that all 3000GT's are heavy just because the VR-4's are 3800lbs. They may be heavy compared to a celica but they really arent very heavy when it comes to it.

Again...why are you throwing my Supra in the equation? FORGET that I mentioned my Supra...I just mentioned the horsepower to identify which dyno day it was. My point was to mention that ToyCeli8 will take the NA 3000GT.


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post May 13, 2004 - 6:38 PM
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just dropping a 3sgte into the celica isnt going to be 400+hp... a 210hp celica with no traction off the line isnt going to go very far very fast. FWD 3000gt's have the same problem but they do have bigger tires and more weight in the front so the race could be relatively close off the line. Im pretty sure the turbo celica can take the 3000 anyways but you just never know.


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post May 13, 2004 - 7:55 PM
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ud have 2 spend an extra 6000 to get a stock 3sgte to 400hp. then again if racing sum1 in a straight line gives the best idea on how fast acar is then any car can be made fast, throe in sum cornerd on the other hand....


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