(automatic) celica st swap Options

[Hawkins Corp]

I have a 1994 celica st automatic. as soon as i saw the car i fell in love with it.
So after i bought it the engine is just over all past its due. So i thought about getting rid of it but the i started to do a bunch of resarch and i wanted to get a 3s-gte 3rd generation jdm swaped into it. I know all about the swap, its very indepth with all the wirring issues and motormounts. but i want to know will the 6 grand or so that i put into it be worth it? i mean with complacations later down the road with the swap and stuff.I really like this car and i want to hang on to it i am thinking the 3rd gen 3s-gte is the best way

so if you could please give feedback that would be great.

oh yeah i do know about the conversion from auto to manual (about a grand)

[Dr_Tweak]

Personally, I always suggest that people have a second car if they're going to modify a car. You can pick up a decent Tercel to beat around in for less than $1000, and insurance is dirt cheap. (Plus the mileage rocks). Then if you have complications you don't have to worry.

When doing an engine swap, you can certainly end up with a very reliable car, but there are always bugs that need to be worked out. Plus, you need to really pay attention to your new engine to make sure it's running right... you need to be in tune with your car.

That said, go for it

http://www.phoenixtuning.com/toyota/swaps/celica.html

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Nov 6, 2005 - 11:14 PM

[blu94gt]

idk, i've contemplated the swap too but once you figure in the cost of the engine and parts, insurance and cost of your beater to drive in the meantime, and the added maintenance I think I would rather spend that 6-10k on just a second car that is a lot nicer and keep the celi as the daily

[lagos]

Hawkins Corp... the "is it worth it" question really depends on how much you love your car and how much you have done to it already. if your car is mostly stock, and you think you might want something rwd, awd, a supra, etc...in the next year or two, then dont bother doing anything .

on the other hand, if you really love your car, have big plans for it, and want to keep it forever, then swap it.

was it worth it for me ? oh my god yes! i love my car more now then i ever did before when it was na. the power differece is pretty amazing. you going from getting smoked by old ladies in their v6 caddy to having the power to compete with 30,000$ sports cars.

for me it was an easy choice because i had a lot of mods done my car already ..... but if my car was stock, then i probably would have just traded it for something that was already factory turbo . so look at all your options before u decide on anything

[Hawkins Corp]

i havnt done anything to it yet..... but i just want to hang on to it b/c these cars are gunna become more rare b/c they stoped importing them into the us as of this year, and i want a fwd... in all truth im pretty sure i want to do this.

But another question...
my friend has a 97 integra ls and i told him about this and he seems to think that if he gets boost that he will still beat my ass.....

if i was to get this what kind of power am i looking at with the 3sgte?
and later if i descide to modd the hell out of the motor what kind of potential does it really have?
and also its a fwd is that part worth it to?

[ummmx2]

once you swap your lookin at about 200 to the wheels (if its a jdm motor) these motors have TONS of potential. thats why many of the celi owners swap to them. ive seen 600hp 3sgtes, if u wanna go crazy. its really a great motor.

[blu94gt]

Hawkins Corp... the "is it worth it" question really depends on how much you love your car and how much you have done to it already.  if your car is mostly stock, and you think you might want something rwd, awd, a supra, etc...in the next year or two, then dont bother doing anything .

on the other hand, if you really love your car, have big plans for it, and want to keep it forever, then swap it.

was it worth it for me ?  oh my god yes!  i love my car more now then i ever  did before when it was na.  the power differece is pretty amazing. you going from getting smoked by old ladies in their v6 caddy to having the power to compete with 30,000$ sports cars. 

for me it was an easy choice because i had a lot of mods done my car already ..... but if my car was stock, then i probably would have just traded it for something that was already factory turbo . so look at all your options before u decide on anything
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that's exactly my argument, just didn't want to type that much out lol. I figure that by the time I put money into the swap, and took the time to do it, I will be graduated from college and married and drawin in some goood money. So I'll buy myself a 350z and restore some old car or somethin

[soulshadow]

Personally, I always suggest that people have a second car if they're going to modify a car. You can pick up a decent Tercel to beat around in for less than $1000, and insurance is dirt cheap. (Plus the mileage rocks). Then if you have complications you don't have to worry.

When doing an engine swap, you can certainly end up with a very reliable car, but there are always bugs that need to be worked out. Plus, you need to really pay attention to your new engine to make sure it's running right... you need to be in tune with your car.

That said, go for it

http://www.phoenixtuning.com/toyota/swaps/celica.html
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An Tercel eh?? Theres one for sale here with a bad engine for only 300 Bucks!
Maybe I should go and get it......its a 5 speed too......

[Celica_Fan]

just buy a manual

[Dr_Tweak]

There's one I'm looking at right now, $250 with a bad head gasket, auto, 4-door, no rust.

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Nov 15, 2005 - 1:40 AM

[airswoosh1]

An Tercel eh?? Theres one for sale here with a bad engine for only 300 Bucks!
Maybe I should go and get it......its a 5 speed too......

TERCEL'S KICK ASS!!

hehe . . . sorry

But really, they are very cheap, easy to maintain (of course, it's a Toyota), and they can be pretty fun to drive

[Dr_Tweak]

4EFTE swap, baby! WOOOhoo!!

http://www.phoenixtuning.com/toyota/swaps/4eftetercel.html

There's a few 4EFTEs on ebay right now for short money, I wish I had some! HAHA

[easternpiro1]

are YOU SURE you want a 3rd generation 3sgte?

[94Celi604]

What are the differences between 2nd and 3rd gen 3sgte engines.?

[celicarus]

3rd has a better turbo - i think lagos can fill in the rest

[Dr_Tweak]

Quite a bit. Some differences are the turbo, the 3rd gen is MAP sensored so there's no AFM, which makes tuning it easier in some cases, the 3rd gen has a big water to air intercooler with a heat exhanger, instead of the air to air top mount that the 2nd gen has... the head is also different, I think it flows better.... um, that's all I can think of right now.

-Doc