bad news for my 3SGTE engine (56K ouchie), NOW UPDATED WITH THE NEW PLAN!!! Options

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

No prob Manny, I've always loved you and wife's Celica as does this whole site I'm sure.

Good luck though with whatever you guys decide.

[OOBE]

Manny, I say keep building the 5S-FE. You are already there with that torque monster. Like everybody said, you'll be unique. I don't know how it is here in the States, but back home, the 5S-FE is a popular platform and many people have gotten ridiculous power levels out of it. Usually, the econo-engines end up being the most built ones with the most power output. Just this week, some older friend of mine dynoed 545.X WHP and 499.X TQ on his '97 Mirage LS. A 1.8 liter SOHC econo-engine that started life breathing only 113 crank horsepower. There's not a lot done to the engine other than forged pistons and rods, and little supporting mods. So I say keep at it, because hey, we all know that it's not the ones who follow trends that get remembered. It's the ones who SET those trends and think outside the box. You are of the latter category...stay in it.

[celicast3sgte]

3s-gte 2.2 Stroker.... nemesis ecu, and forged pistons, keep the rods, keep the head (for now) you can pull it off in car later on. itll give you the best of both worlds. just my opinion for what it carries around here

[madmods]

I would have to say the plan on keeping you 5 and little by little working on the 3 when time and money permits. You have a fast motor already. Take your time, little money here and there on the 3. If it takes
2 years, let it be. If you pull your 5 motor out, you got down time on your baby. Enjoy your 5, don't push it
too hard. I would die to have that motor.

[presure2]

3s-gte 2.2 Stroker.... nemesis ecu, and forged pistons, keep the rods, keep the head (for now) you can pull it off in car later on. itll give you the best of both worlds. just my opinion for what it carries around here

if you wanna dump me the close to 10K it would take to do that PROPERLY, id be more than happy to. the idea of putting a stock head on a stroker motor is pointless to me.

ok guys...ive been thinking ALOT about all the diffrent senarios, talking to all of my good friends (thanks guys) about the good and bad of each setup, including cost, goals, and knowledge required to get each senario done, ect.

ive come up with a few things.

#1 and most importanly, im a broke mofo. lol i dont have a large reserve of cash that i can lay into to build ANY motor, let alone a 3sgte monster.
#2 the 5sfTe has be VERY good to me up till this point, and shows no signs of stopping.

so, that said, im going to put the 3SGTE plan on the back burner for a while. im going to put the block and head in engine bags, and kinda stuff it in a corner for awhile.

the 5SFTE is gonna take me where i wanna go.

i have a few minor things i want to work on "shoring-up", that i had kinda been ignoring in anticipation of the 3s. basicly tidy up the whole setup, just make it a cleaner, more efficent install, with a cleaner look.
i need to reroute my water bypass lines for the oil cooler and turbo, they were kinda just thrown together last minute, so i need to take a little time and optimize that.
i NEED to get my damn oil cooler actually mounted. lol as well as do somthing about the GETTO autozone dryer duct intake pipe.
im thinking about getting new intercooler piping as well. my piping is alumizied, and while it hasnt started yet, it can and will eventually rust. i HAVE to replace it before it starts to rust, you all can imagine how nice a chunk of rust would sound running thru my engine.
once that smaller stuff is taken care of, im gonna save up a bit and get the emanage, or ultimate emanage, depending on the outcome of more research.
one thing i noticed from a quick browse is that the emanage ultimate has compensation maps, which i think is a really cool thing, and will allow me to learn more about tuning on a basic level.
like i was telling the chicken man last night, the emanage is like the next logical step in the learning process for me. while its not a full standalone, it works on alot of the same principals, and alot of the operational process works like a standalone would.
once i got all that externall stuff taken care of, i will continue to push the motor, expanding the horizon on what can be done with the little 5s.
ive had an offer from nukeularhappiness for an adjustable cam gear, (itd be a 2jz gear thats machined to fit the 5s cam), and im thinking i may take him up on that, as well as maybe trying a cam.
i really wanna try and optimize my pump gas tune, cause i know there is ALOT more in it if i can get it properlly tuned.
and, even in a worse case senario, one thing that we realized in all the talk...the 5s is a very cheap, and available everywhere, in practicly every junkyard across the contry.
if i pop mine, finding a replacement will be easy, and relitivly cheap. hell, i can pick up a nice 96+ camry motor for around 600, and a 98-99 for around 800.
i also wanna take a second, and thank ALL OF YOU.
most of you have taken an interest in my project since day one, and i appreciate that greatly.
this project is somthing that has taken on a life of its own, with the help of all the cool people i have met on this site, and others.
without all of you, nothing ive accoplished with it would have been possible. thank you.
and with your help, ill take this thing to the next level, and beyond.

[lagos]

sounds like a good plan. i think the emanage and the cam work are very good ideas.

only thing i would say, is before replacing the ic piping. try to primer, paint and clear coat it. as long as you give it a good layer of protection on the outside, it should last you along time. the only reaon why i say that , is because i know how expensive replacing the ic piping could be. painting it would make it look better and last longer for 10bucks max.

[presure2]

sounds like a good plan. i think the emanage and the cam work are very good ideas.

only thing i would say, is before replacing the ic piping. try to primer, paint and clear coat it. as long as you give it a good layer of protection on the outside, it should last you along time. the only reaon why i say that , is because i know how expensive replacing the ic piping could be. painting it would make it look better and last longer for 10bucks max.

yea, that would do the outside, but thats not what im worried about, art..its the inside that really matters.
besides, the aluminized piping was 110$, not too bad, this time ill not cheap out on it and prolly get aluminum piping, and have it mostly welded.

[lagos]

sounds good... clean it up . i want to see more bling under the hood then that red supra has!

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Manny that sounds like a great plan.

I'm sure that the EManage will really open up alot of doors for your motor. Also I totally agree with the cam idea, you'll then be looking at a much smoother and more linear HP and TQ curve. I think that when your current setup is refined further, it'll really be even more of a masterpiece than it already is.

Good luck with everything.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

good look manny im sure u can push that motor a lil' more

bboy