Celicas?....slow? Options

[celicaST]

when you guys say 3rd generation 3s-gte you mean the 94-99 gt-4 engine right?

correct

[nsxtypeR]

Right, that's the engine of the ST205

[daazndood]

thanks guys!

[Dub]

l19tly: against 330ci and he wasnt pullin away? Was it a girl or what? Doesnt seem very realistic mate. You have barely 180hp on front wheels and racing agains someone with 230hp on rear. BMW has some 300Nm and compared to 190 on your celica.. seems like a joke. Sorry, but cant believe he was racing for real.
Or perhaps it was a problem with the driver

[Mr_E]

What you said didn't disprove me wrong, it was a general statement that is usually true. I was refering to the torque band obviously, and if you could reader clearer I mention that when its higher in the RPM the more "sporty" or "fast" the engine is. THat being said if both cars are indential and only difference is torque band. A good example is how a relatively torqueless car like a civic SI with a huge 111 ft./lbs. or torque is just going to own a celica with an extraordinaire 145 ft./lbs. of torque.

You said, and I will quote directly.

If an engine has more torque(ft. lbs.) than HP, its power is made from low to middle. If it has alot more HP than torque, the power is in higher rpm range, and would kill the other engine even if they have same HP.

It's rubbish on about 3 levels.

1) Torque is not power. Torque is instant turning force to the wheels. Power is torque over time.

What you meant to say was "A car that has more torque at a given RPM will pull harder at that RPM". That is correct.

You then say something along the lines of "a car that has a lot more power than torque (ie, it revs higher) will be faster than a lazier or larger engine that revs lower but produces the same headline power."

Which is plain rubbish. Weight for weight, with the same gearing, if the engines do the same amount of peak work (power) they will be as quick at that peak power. What will be different is that the torquier engine will pull the gear better on the way to peak power.

What is usually the case is high revving jap engines run shorter gears to make better use of the revs and headline power figures, and so feel quicker. But two identical engines producing 200bhp, but one at 3000rpm and the other at 10,000rpm pulling the same gear, the high revving lump is going to suffer hugely.

[l19tly]

l19tly: against 330ci and he wasnt pullin away? Was it a girl or what? Doesnt seem very realistic mate. You have barely 180hp on front wheels and racing agains someone with 230hp on rear. BMW has some 300Nm and compared to 190 on your celica.. seems like a joke. Sorry, but cant believe he was racing for real.
Or perhaps it was a problem with the driver

sorry it was a 320ci my mistake about the 330ci although they have 230hp they are not that quick until about 3rd gear i work in a garage and have drove plenty of them