Overdrive question?, is it ok to have it on all the time? Options

[joehernandez]

i don't know if its ok to have it on all the time.
any problems that could happen please tell me.

[lagos]

yeah, leave it on all the time. its designed to be On by defult to help save gas.only time you should turn it off, is when you feel you need more power from the engine.

[uberschall]

don't worry about it. it's actually supposed to be on...if you have an owners manual, there's a section in there about it. basically, "for better fuel economy and more comfortable drving, leave the o/d engaged." you can turn it off on the freeway if you want to pass somebody, but it's perfectly good all the time...it's actually better than not having it on. hope that helps.

[joehernandez]

thanks, i thought something could happen, but anyways my celica wastes a lot of gas"!!!

when you have your overdrive on. does it has enough power to accelerate drifting?
cuz mine does

[Bitter]

lol, when you push down the gas pedal the trans will downshift on its own from 4th gear (OD) to what ever gear it needs depending on the conditions.

OD on gives you a 4 speed transmission, OD off makes it more like a 3 speed. i often use the OD button to slow down a little when i dont feel like the brakes are needed, such as in traffic or slowing to a light. additionally if i have to make a very hard stop i click it off so that theres more engine vacuum for the assist.

[DeW_H0e_GT]

i usually turn it on whenever i hit 40 mph..and after a complete stop i turn it off..kinda like a auto-manual setup..LoLsss

[Bitter]

see i just leave it on with the exceptions i mentioned. i find if i lift throttle and then very gently reapply i can get into OD at around 37-38mph with the engine turning at very low revs, just above idle speed it feels like.

[FreddyTheOthaMea...]

I use it to downshift kinda... hit the OD, start to slow down, shift down into 2nd etc etc....

[playr158]

thanks, i thought something could happen, but anyways my celica wastes a lot of gas"!!!

when you have your overdrive on. does it has enough power to accelerate drifting?
cuz mine does

please no talking...you don't drift a celica

This post has been edited by playr158: Aug 15, 2006 - 11:52 AM

[gt_driFFter]

thanks, i thought something could happen, but anyways my celica wastes a lot of gas"!!!

when you have your overdrive on. does it has enough power to accelerate drifting?
cuz mine does

please no talking...you don't drift a celica

Why not?

[playr158]

omg

Drifting refers either to a driving technique utilizing a difference in slip angle between the front and rear tires of a car, or to a sport based on the technique; this article deals primarily with the sport. When the rear wheels are slipping at a greater angle than the front wheels, the car is drifting, or "power-sliding". The rear end of the car appears to chase the front end around a turn; the driver utilizes both front tires and the rear tires to control the actual direction of the car. More throttle induces more rear wheel slip angle and the rear of the car wants to overtake the front. The goal is for the driver to achieve opposite lock and use the throttle to fine tune the car's angle and direction.

you have a FWD celica...99.9% of all celica owners are subject to UNDERSTEER...your a FWD car thus meaning when you enter a turn at an excessive rate your front wheels push out and you slide off the corner failing to hit the apex and sit in the grass..

RWD cars are subject to OVERSTEER this means when they hit a corner with excess power their backends come out and they slide(or spin in a circle)

drifting is the ability to control this rate of oversteer...to drift you MUST have RWD...otherwise your just e-brake sliding a FWD car in a corner (this is not drifting)

how ever with the proper suspension setup (ie coilovers, upgraded sway bars (in the correct setting of stiffness) ) you can get a fwd car to over steer...but i have yet to see someone correctly setup that in a celica

[gt_driFFter]

OMG

It is possible to overstreer a FWD car to an extent. That being I do realize that the result might not as pretty as what our RWD, MR or even AWD friends might be able to do. Those of us that drive FWD must focus on wieght transfer and momentum, while other drive trains can power of coners. It's not easy, but with practice and determination we can go sideways. So here's a little turorial.

Here are some helpfull links I found:

http://www.modernracer.com/tips/fro...eoversteer.html

http://www.modernracer.com/tips/tips.html

From the first link:

"Front-Wheel-Drive Oversteer

It is generally perceived that front-wheel-drive cars - that is, cars in which the front wheels do both, put power to the road and steer - are understeering wrecks that fly off the road if you go into a corner too quickly. This is generally true, but it is possible to eliminate understeer and actually oversteer to a certain degree. Oversteering fun is not just the domain of rear-wheel-drivers.

Front-Wheel-Drive Oversteer

Oversteer is best practiced in an open area, and preferably on gravel so you can lose traction without much effort. You will not be able to hold a long, continuous sideways drift around a sweeping corner with a front-wheel-drive car like you can with a rear-wheel-drive vehicle, and you cannot use engine power on a high-horsepower car to start a "powerslide" since the power acts on the front wheels. But still, contrary to popular belief, oversteer is possible with a front-driver.


One way to induce oversteer in your front-driver is to plow hard into a corner and then lift off the throttle in the middle of the corner. Lifting off the throttle will cause the weight of the car to "shift" to the front, thereby putting more weight over the front wheels and, ultimately, adding more grip to the front tires. However, if you are lucky, the rear tires will lose traction and start to slide outwards while you're turning. You are now oversteering. Some countersteer now has to be applied to keep control of the slide, that is, steer in the direction of the slide. Learning to precisely "catch" a slide will take a lot of practice, so it is better to play around in an empty gravel lot or a slippery track with large run-off areas. Start off at moderate corner entry speeds and then increase this speed as you become more confident. This technique is only possible with well-balanced front-drivers such as an Integra or an old Sentra SE-R. If your car can achieve oversteer in this way, you will generally be cornering faster. Practice with lower entry speeds, and gradually increase it as you get confident.


A brute-force way to induce a slide is to pull the handbrake (or press the e-brake) momentarily and yank the steering wheel in the direction of the corner, then countersteer. For example, to take a right-curving corner, you could plow into the corner in second gear and as soon as the corner starts, yank the steering wheel to the right and a split second later, pull the handbrake. The rear wheels will lock and suddenly lose traction. The car will quickly go it a sideways skid, at which point you quickly start countersteering. Now, before exiting the corner, release the handbrake. The front wheels of the car will just try to pull the car straight again and you'll have to steer exactly where you want to go. If you don't release the handbrake in time, you will spin. If done right, eventually you will center the wheel and straighten the car. Throughout the turn, keep the accelerator at a constant position, but you can apply a litle more throttle on the exit if you think you are spinning out. One hand should always be on the handbrake, with the button depressed, so you will have to turn with one hand. The sudden slide is a little hard to control on the first few tries and requires quick reflexes. And, as stated earlier, a continuous slide around the whole corner, like those done with rear-wheel-drive cars, is not possible with a front-driver. Pulling the handbrake to turn around a long radius corner will actually worsen your cornering time in most cases, so it is not a technique for road racing. But it can save you if speeding and understeering off a cliff is eminent.

Front-Wheel-Drive Oversteer

Most cars on the road today are front-wheel-drive cars, from Acura to Volvo. The only rear-wheel-drive cars available nowadays are either impractical roadsters, exotic sports cars or overweight luxury cars. There are a number of well-balanced front-wheel-drive cars available that are actually easy to drive fast around corners. Examples include the RSX Type-S and legendary Integra Type-R from Acura, Celica GT-S from Toyota, SVT Focus from Ford, Sentra SE-R from Nissan, and the new Mini Cooper. Do note that not all front-wheel-drive cars are suitable for oversteering. Many cars, like the Infiniti G20 and Chevy Monte Carlo, are set up to understeer, sometimes aggressively so, because understeer is generally easier to control than oversteer for inexperienced motorists. The methods described here only serve as a general guide and will have to be adjusted according to the car you drive. There are other techniques too, such as left-foot braking and the pendulum drift, but these are harder and require their own space for discussion.

On a cautionary note, sliding a car not set up with substantial bracing might cause your car to fall apart! Practice on gravel, grass or in the rain, in an open area. Then adapt your car and your driving to handle the tarmac.

Modernracer.com © 2003 "

...but i have yet to see someone correctly setup that in a celica

So you shouldn't drift a celica because YOU haven't seen anybody with a good setup yet? Right...

Also, by "drifting" we are obviously talking about sliding sideways. You don't have to have RWD to slide sideways. Sliding sideways in a FWD car is still considered drifting.

[playr158]

good job you can copy and paste...

like i said in my post

how ever with the proper suspension setup (ie coilovers, upgraded sway bars (in the correct setting of stiffness) ) you can get a fwd car to over steer...but i have yet to see someone correctly setup that in a celica

i've seen FWD cars oversteer and slide around a corner....this is SLIDING not drifting...there is a difference...

the only way your going to get your celica to slide around a corner is to e-brake it...i've been there and done it...practice in a parking lot after it rains or snows....don't cry if you break something while sliding into a curb or a tree...

and omg...i didn't say it wasn't possible...i clearly acknowledge the possibiltiy...read wat i said

so by all means go to a real drift even and tell a pro my fwd car drifts they'll chuckle and say its sliding

This post has been edited by playr158: Aug 15, 2006 - 2:06 PM

[gt_driFFter]

Also, by "drifting" we are obviously talking about sliding sideways. You don't have to have RWD to slide sideways. Sliding sideways in a FWD car is still considered drifting.

The person who commented about getting their celica to drift obviously wasn't implying that he magically had rear wheel drive and broke traction. So, I guess you were just being a prick about vocabulary? Cool.

This post has been edited by gt_driFFter: Aug 15, 2006 - 2:10 PM

[playr158]

i'm not being a prick its called accuracy in statements and information...
defining a word correctly is better then walking around looking like an idiot

fwd with the ability to oversteer and slide..and HOW to achieve that
is highly different from
rwd drifting

2 different suspension setups
2 different techniques
2 different defenitions

This post has been edited by playr158: Aug 15, 2006 - 2:12 PM

[gt_driFFter]

i'm not being a prick its called accuracy in statements and information...
defining a word correctly is better then walking around looking like an idiot

fwd with the ability to oversteer and slide..and HOW to achieve that
is highly different from
rwd drifting

2 different suspension setups
2 different techniques
2 different defenitions

Until you provide me with a reliable source that supports this, I say your just being really anal retentive. Sliding sideways is still drifting, just a different technique.

[Bitter]

when a car is sliding sideays and 'drifting' its doing so because the rear wheels are maintaining a lack of traction due to them spinning freely against the road surface, ie the car has enough torque to keep the rear rubber from regaining traction while the front wheels somewhat aid in the pointing of the car. a fwd car lacks the necessary equipment to spin the rear wheels, so only the front wheels can be 'broken loose'. on a front engine front wheel drive car not having traction in the front causes understeer, you can get a fe fwd car to oversteer, but it will not maintain that oversteer for the length of time and over the same distance and in the same 'controlled' manner that a rwd car can.

[playr158]

There is some debate over whether or not front wheel drive (FWD) vehicles can drift, which is often accompanied by the false notion that anything done to make the rear wheels "slide" automatically qualifies as a drift. In hindsight, FWD cars are not able to carry out a drift as a drift is often controlled by applying power to the rear wheels - which FWDs are inherently unable to do. A simple source for this claim is the restriction D1GP applies, wherein FWDs do not qualify for entrance into the event.

This post has been edited by playr158: Aug 15, 2006 - 2:31 PM

[bufferdan]

I mother f'in drift my celica around tokyo every night!

[6strngs]

I mother f'in drift my celica around tokyo every night!

did you put a skyline engine in a mustang and drift that too?