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[sinner96ST]

Wow, over-react much?

What exactly are you trying to argue? Nobody is claiming this thing is cheap. But when $600 product has a $1000 product built in, I would not call that overpriced. Expensive? Yes, we all agree on that.

The car comment isn't valid simply because you can still play games on the ps3, and still watch DVD's. It's only when you want the absolute highest quality everything, that you'll have to upgrade (tv/movie collection). If they didn't put the blu-ray player in the ps3, it would become obsolete in just a couple of years.

Either way, I think you need to step back from the keyboard, and go outside becuase you're getting way too upset about this whole thing.

No, I'm not upset about anything, I'm simply stating facts. Just because you've been brain washed by a few decent games for the PS2, you're ready to drop cash on something you haven't even seen in person or played yet. You still haven't adressed any of my points, instead saying I should leave the house because I'm angry?

I'm in the development community, I work for a company that's created games for the PSP, and we're currently working on 2 nintendo DS titles. I've been to the shows, I've seen what they have to offer, and it isn't much. I get to listen to people like you at trade shows talk about how great & wonderful Sony is, when in fact, they've grown so full of themselves that they constantly make poor decisions.

Stop giving bad advice out to people, keep your fanboyism at the door, and try using logic. It won't hurt, I promise.

This post has been edited by sinner96ST: Oct 18, 2006 - 7:29 PM

[gt_driFFter]

Just because you've been brain washed by a few decent games for the PS2, you're ready to drop cash on something you haven't even seen in person or played yet.

You just made a fool out of yourself because
a) I don't own a ps2, or anything sony that cost's more than $30.

and

b) I never said anywhere in any of my posts that I was buying a ps3.

So maybe YOU should think about what you are you're giong to say before you make assumptions and such.

You still haven't adressed any of my points, instead saying I should leave the house because I'm angry?

Exactly what "points" did I not address?

I'm in the development community, I work for a company that's created games for the PSP, and we're currently working on 2 nintendo DS titles.

Good for you! How exactly does this relate to the ps3 and blu-ray?

Stop jerking off Sony in this thread, and giving bad advice to people, and perhaps I'd take you seriously.

Please quote where I gave anybody advice in this thread.
Get your facts straight and stop with the inappropriate bad-mouthing, because nobody is taking you seriously. This debate was civilized until you made all of those nasty comments, simply because you had no real response.


This post has been edited by gt_driFFter: Oct 18, 2006 - 6:58 PM

[sinner96ST]

True, but EVENTUALLY, 1080p will be mainstream, and more common. So it's not like you're never going to take advantage of it, just depends on when you get a newer tv

Cue bad advice - you know 1080p will be mainstream how? And when? Do you own a $2000 HDTV right now that does 1080p playback? They're releasing a console that uses Blu-Ray specifically for 1080p, which isn't even an accepted, well spread out standard and won't be for another 5 years or so. The TV's alone costs thousands of dollars, and you're hinging the PS3's success on their support of it. Horray! You can get full 1080p playback on the whole .1% of the market that owns the televisions.

If they didn't put the blu-ray player in the ps3, it would become obsolete in just a couple of years.

You're acting like Blu-Ray is actually a good thing.

Let me share a little moment in history with you about Sony's last attempt at backing a format that nobody else would : The Minidisc.

We all know how popular Minidisc's are in society. It's junked up DRM crap, much like everything else that Sony produces.

Good for you! How exactly does this relate to the ps3 and blu-ray?

Because I get to screw with the stuff, I've been to several trade shows, GDC, E3, and I get to listen to Phil Harrison talk out of both sides of his mouth about the Playstation 3, first hand. I watched several of the PS3 'demo' units take a nose dive because they couldn't handle the poorly constructed cell code that they were running on.

This post has been edited by sinner96ST: Oct 18, 2006 - 7:23 PM

[LewFX]

rumors say the ps3 will be $400-$600...blu-ray players are dropping in price to a low $699.99...however sony will eat the cost of the blu-ray drive to try and outsell the 360 and plan on selling more games to make up for lost profits

[sinner96ST]

rumors say the ps3 will be $400-$600...blu-ray players are dropping in price to a low $699.99...however sony will eat the cost of the blu-ray drive to try and outsell the 360 and plan on selling more games to make up for lost profits

I think because of the low quantity of units they're shipping to the US, that they can't possibly outsell the 360 on launch, it's simply a numbers game.

I could be wrong, and Sony could surprise everyone with a huge surge of consoles before christmas, but i'm going off the numbers they've released to the general public. I still think the Wii will outsell the PS3, simply because of the price point.

[JonCars17]

rumors say the ps3 will be $400-$600...blu-ray players are dropping in price to a low $699.99...however sony will eat the cost of the blu-ray drive to try and outsell the 360 and plan on selling more games to make up for lost profits

I think because of the low quantity of units they're shipping to the US, that they can't possibly outsell the 360 on launch, it's simply a numbers game.

I could be wrong, and Sony could surprise everyone with a huge surge of consoles before christmas, but i'm going off the numbers they've released to the general public. I still think the Wii will outsell the PS3, simply because of the price point.

I agree with you man, but for the Wii to be released like 2 days after the ps3 isn't all the great of a move -_-

[LewFX]

with the size of the ps3 bigger than the wii and 360, some might not like that

[Manta5x]

I managed to get a PS3 preorded at EB. I will try to get another one at Target, KB or Toys R us.
6th gen celicas in hi def

This post has been edited by Manta5x: Oct 18, 2006 - 10:08 PM

[bloodrain]

True, but EVENTUALLY, 1080p will be mainstream, and more common. So it's not like you're never going to take advantage of it, just depends on when you get a newer tv

Cue bad advice - you know 1080p will be mainstream how? And when? Do you own a $2000 HDTV right now that does 1080p playback? They're releasing a console that uses Blu-Ray specifically for 1080p, which isn't even an accepted, well spread out standard and won't be for another 5 years or so. The TV's alone costs thousands of dollars, and you're hinging the PS3's success on their support of it. Horray! You can get full 1080p playback on the whole .1% of the market that owns the televisions.

If they didn't put the blu-ray player in the ps3, it would become obsolete in just a couple of years.

You're acting like Blu-Ray is actually a good thing.

Let me share a little moment in history with you about Sony's last attempt at backing a format that nobody else would : The Minidisc.

We all know how popular Minidisc's are in society. It's junked up DRM crap, much like everything else that Sony produces.

Good for you! How exactly does this relate to the ps3 and blu-ray?

Because I get to screw with the stuff, I've been to several trade shows, GDC, E3, and I get to listen to Phil Harrison talk out of both sides of his mouth about the Playstation 3, first hand. I watched several of the PS3 'demo' units take a nose dive because they couldn't handle the poorly constructed cell code that they were running on.

1080 will become mainstream, in march of 09' the law is already passed for all analog tv's to become digital. 1080p HDTV's arent $2000 anymore, I have a 27" samsung and bought it brand new for $600. And actually 30% of america already has an HDTV and by 09' the number is supposed to reach 85%. Digital HD is coming regardless if u like it or not, every day more and more channels are added and broadcasted. Will blu-ray be a huge hit? Given the circumstances, I doubt it, will ps3 sell like crazy, definatly.

[chucho]

Cue bad advice - you know 1080p will be mainstream how? And when? Do you own a $2000 HDTV right now that does 1080p playback? They're releasing a console that uses Blu-Ray specifically for 1080p, which isn't even an accepted, well spread out standard and won't be for another 5 years or so. The TV's alone costs thousands of dollars, and you're hinging the PS3's success on their support of it. Horray! You can get full 1080p playback on the whole .1% of the market that owns the televisions.

But IF you do have a 1080P which lots of ppl are now buying then it is a good thing. And you cannot deny the picture over a standard dvd player. Just because you think something is a waste of money doesnt mean that others do not. Lot's of people think, including my ex-gf, think my car is a big waste of money but I enjoy working on it and making it look nicer.

I sale about 4-7 1080P tvs every week. So lots of people are getting them now days. The lowest I've seen a 1080P (DLP) we've sold was 1799. Not bad for a 50" DLP. So in my personal experience w/ 1080P tvs they're becoming more affordable and more common in houses. And my personal op. if your gonna buy a 1080P tv and not utilize the quaility of the tv then why not buy the 720P model?

True, but EVENTUALLY, 1080p will be mainstream, and more common. So it's not like you're never going to take advantage of it, just depends on when you get a newer tv

Cue bad advice - you know 1080p will be mainstream how? And when? Do you own a $2000 HDTV right now that does 1080p playback? They're releasing a console that uses Blu-Ray specifically for 1080p, which isn't even an accepted, well spread out standard and won't be for another 5 years or so. The TV's alone costs thousands of dollars, and you're hinging the PS3's success on their support of it. Horray! You can get full 1080p playback on the whole .1% of the market that owns the televisions.

If they didn't put the blu-ray player in the ps3, it would become obsolete in just a couple of years.

You're acting like Blu-Ray is actually a good thing.

Let me share a little moment in history with you about Sony's last attempt at backing a format that nobody else would : The Minidisc.

We all know how popular Minidisc's are in society. It's junked up DRM crap, much like everything else that Sony produces.

Good for you! How exactly does this relate to the ps3 and blu-ray?

Because I get to screw with the stuff, I've been to several trade shows, GDC, E3, and I get to listen to Phil Harrison talk out of both sides of his mouth about the Playstation 3, first hand. I watched several of the PS3 'demo' units take a nose dive because they couldn't handle the poorly constructed cell code that they were running on.

1080 will become mainstream, in march of 09' the law is already passed for all analog tv's to become digital. 1080p HDTV's arent $2000 anymore, I have a 27" samsung and bought it brand new for $600. And actually 30% of america already has an HDTV and by 09' the number is supposed to reach 85%. Digital HD is coming regardless if u like it or not, every day more and more channels are added and broadcasted. Will blu-ray be a huge hit? Given the circumstances, I doubt it, will ps3 sell like crazy, definatly.

You may want to restate your statement. there is no 27" samsung thats 1080P, 1080i which is a lot different. And nothing on cable or satelite is broadcasted in 1080P. The only thing offered in 1080P is blu-ray right now.

[Defgeph]

Once you see HD you never go back.
I own two 1080p HDTV's, I'm planning on buying PS3 after the first batch comes out.

MGS4 will be in 1080p.

[sinner96ST]

No known broadcaster has the bandwidth to produce a true 1080p signal. They're usually 720/1080i upscaled to 1080p. This may be the new standard 5 years down the road, but it's the immediate future that matters most, because the PS3 is close to launch.

With that being said, I'm sure the technology will come down in price, but IMO, Blu-Ray is about 3-4 years too early for anyone to really care about it. You're selling to a niche market of people at this point in time, and it just doesn't seem the logical way to go about things.

Sony doesn't have a great track record with settings standards, I wish some of you would understand that. Minidiscs & UMD's have been giant failures. What would make me believe that Blu-Ray would be any different? Their history would dictate otherwise. I'd rather have a media standard set by another company whose motives aren't as evil as Sony's typically are.

[chucho]

Just a FYI... 1080P and 1080i are two different things. They transmit the signals differently and a 1080i tv cannot recieve the 1080P signal because of the way the signal is sent.

1080P res. 1920 X 1080
most HDTVs are 1366 X 768

The blu-ray players have to down scale the signal to theses other HDTVs.

This post has been edited by chucho: Oct 18, 2006 - 11:04 PM

[chucho]

No known broadcaster has the bandwidth to produce a true 1080p signal. They're usually 720/1080i upscaled to 1080p. This may be the new standard 5 years down the road, but it's the immediate future that matters most, because the PS3 is close to launch.

With that being said, I'm sure the technology will come down in price, but IMO, Blu-Ray is about 3-4 years too early for anyone to really care about it. You're selling to a niche market of people at this point in time, and it just doesn't seem the logical way to go about things.

Sony doesn't have a great track record with settings standards, I wish some of you would understand that. Minidiscs & UMD's have been giant failures. What would make me believe that Blu-Ray would be any different? Their history would dictate otherwise. I'd rather have a media standard set by another company whose motives aren't as evil as Sony's typically are.

This is the main problem w/ ppl and blu-ray. Sony is one of the major backers but not the company that developed the product. Many companies were involved in the development. And the reason why I think it will win against HDdvd is because of the major backing of companies. But only time will tell.

Good old Wikipedia... shows some of hte major backers

[sinner96ST]

No known broadcaster has the bandwidth to produce a true 1080p signal. They're usually 720/1080i upscaled to 1080p. This may be the new standard 5 years down the road, but it's the immediate future that matters most, because the PS3 is close to launch.

With that being said, I'm sure the technology will come down in price, but IMO, Blu-Ray is about 3-4 years too early for anyone to really care about it. You're selling to a niche market of people at this point in time, and it just doesn't seem the logical way to go about things.

Sony doesn't have a great track record with settings standards, I wish some of you would understand that. Minidiscs & UMD's have been giant failures. What would make me believe that Blu-Ray would be any different? Their history would dictate otherwise. I'd rather have a media standard set by another company whose motives aren't as evil as Sony's typically are.

This is the main problem w/ ppl and blu-ray. Sony is one of the major backers but not the company that developed the product. Many companies were involved in the development. And the reason why I think it will win against HDdvd is because of the major backing of companies. But only time will tell.

Good old Wikipedia... shows some of hte major backers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-DVD#Industry_support

HD-DVD has the major backing of movie studios, as well. I believe the only studio that hasn't backed it has been Sony Pictures, no surprise there. Also, Microsoft / Intel are in the whole HD-DVD camp, so only time will tell who will win the format war.

Also, keep in mind, that Microsoft announced it will be selling an add-on for the Xbox 360 that will support HD-DVD.

It's up in the air at this point. HD-DVD players are cheaper than blu-ray, some of the blu's were selling for almost $2,000, but sharply dropped in price. I saw all of this stuff at CES. Toshiba is the main company behind HD-DVD, and I think NEC was also showcasing some players.

[chucho]

No known broadcaster has the bandwidth to produce a true 1080p signal. They're usually 720/1080i upscaled to 1080p. This may be the new standard 5 years down the road, but it's the immediate future that matters most, because the PS3 is close to launch.

With that being said, I'm sure the technology will come down in price, but IMO, Blu-Ray is about 3-4 years too early for anyone to really care about it. You're selling to a niche market of people at this point in time, and it just doesn't seem the logical way to go about things.

Sony doesn't have a great track record with settings standards, I wish some of you would understand that. Minidiscs & UMD's have been giant failures. What would make me believe that Blu-Ray would be any different? Their history would dictate otherwise. I'd rather have a media standard set by another company whose motives aren't as evil as Sony's typically are.

This is the main problem w/ ppl and blu-ray. Sony is one of the major backers but not the company that developed the product. Many companies were involved in the development. And the reason why I think it will win against HDdvd is because of the major backing of companies. But only time will tell.

Good old Wikipedia... shows some of hte major backers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-DVD#Industry_support

HD-DVD has the major backing of movie studios, as well. I believe the only studio that hasn't backed it has been Sony Pictures, no surprise there. Also, Microsoft / Intel are in the whole HD-DVD camp, so only time will tell who will win the format war.

Also, keep in mind, that Microsoft announced it will be selling an add-on for the Xbox 360 that will support HD-DVD.

It's up in the air at this point. HD-DVD players are cheaper than blu-ray, some of the blu's were selling for almost $2,000, but sharply dropped in price. I saw all of this stuff at CES. Toshiba is the main company behind HD-DVD, and I think NEC was also showcasing some players.

Yeah the HD-DVD add on is suppose to be around 175. I believe (not sure) that Matsu****a Electric was one of the biggest contributers on Blu-ray but cant remember where I read that. Its Beta vs VHS all over again. And another format is on development that is suppose to handle more GBs then blu-ray.

[JonCars17]

I thought I read somewhere that Microsoft is not only gonna release a HD-DVD add-on but a Blueray add-on aswell, which is why they decided to take the HD-DVD drive out of the XBOX 360 because of the time of the product and which would sell more plus price.