Roll Cage, Going to do it this spring Options

[Kwanza26]

Roll cages are all about the design and welding. Most of the DIY cage builders do it WRONG.

Ask yourself... WHY?

[jcbass7]

ok here is my question. how will i ever learn or get better at anything if i don't go for it and give it a try?

EDIT: my point being every ambitious idea i have is always shut down by somebody. Such as my swap, a lot of people told me I couldn't or shouldn't and its done now and couldn't be happier. I am glad people are showing me the negatives to the idea, but on the other hand this car is a huge learning experience that i would love to continue with.

By no means would this cage be designed for Roll over safety, but to improve handling, provide a unique look, teach me a bit in the process and allow me to continue to be ambitious.. The only reasons i would abandon the idea is if it were decided that it would be a major safety concern.

This post has been edited by jcbass7: Jan 18, 2007 - 9:25 AM

[Culpable04]

ok here is my question. how will i ever learn or get better at anything if i don't go for it and give it a try?

EDIT: my point being every ambitious idea i have is always shut down by somebody. Such as my swap, a lot of people told me I couldn't or shouldn't and its done now and couldn't be happier. I am glad people are showing me the negatives to the idea, but on the other hand this car is a huge learning experience that i would love to continue with.

By no means would this cage be designed for Roll over safety, but to improve handling, provide a unique look, teach me a bit in the process and allow me to continue to be ambitious.. The only reasons i would abandon the idea is if it were decided that it would be a major safety concern.

there is a little contradiccion on your idea, the roll cage are named ROLL cage for a reason, the improvement on handling is a side effect of it but no the actual intention when they were originally desing.

There are other upgrades on the market for handling improvements that you can get ideas from and build something for you; as you I love to learn and adventure with new things but there are some mistakes that unfortunatly can be done just once, you swapped your own engine but if for some reason you did it wrong you have chance to redo it, in a case of a roll cage if it fails during an accident you can get hurt in such way that you won't be able to do it again, don't abadon the idea but take some baby steps first. I know a member here who built a J-speed 3 point rear strut bar, and was excellent and I bet it was really cheap, just to give you an idea.

[hurley97]

doo it Jesse doo it

[playr158]

Roll cages are all about the design and welding. Most of the DIY cage builders do it WRONG.

Ask yourself... WHY?

please listen to him ^^^^

[x_itchy_b_x]

thats a cusco for our cars ^ looks hard to replicate it will take time and trial and error for sure though.

taking proper measurements getting the right bends is crucial as are the welds and material used.
but it really isnt rocket science.

http://rallynuts.com/motorsport/ROLL%5FCAG...ta_NEW_3409.asp

[jcbass7]

Thank you for all the advice and imput so far, it is definatly helping

For me i just see it as why would i spend a lot of time or money, buying or building a 3pt. rear, and then underbody braces, and then a harness bar and then a trunk bar etc. et.c when i could kill one bird with one stone.

Also when you say that its dangerous to have, If i roll over without one... or if i roll over with one..... wouldn't with one be the better choice? I understand if i did it horribly wrong then it could be a hazard. but the guy i have helping made them with his dad and his dad used to do them for cars etc.

I am going to custom fab atleast a 3pt rear and the harness bar. I just see it as more of a hassle to do a lot of little peices when i could do the large one.

[hitcachi]

That would suck ass to try and replicate. If Dan "Teh custom fab master" is saying not to do it then its probably not possible! J/k. But the time that it would take you, would be better spent at a job, where you could save the money to buy the cusco one.

[jcbass7]

For the record i dont want a full cage. I basically want everything from the seats back. To stiffen the rear and mount a 5pt harness

[jcbass7]

on handling is a side effect of it but no the actual intention when they were originally desing.

There are other upgrades on the market for handling improvements that you can get ideas from and build something for you; as you I love to learn and adventure with new things but there are some mistakes that unfortunatly can be done just once, you swapped your own engine but if for some reason you did it wrong you have chance to redo it, in a case of a roll cage if it fails during an accident you can get hurt in such way that you won't be able to do it again, don't abadon the idea but take some baby steps first. I know a member here who built a J-speed 3 point rear strut bar, and was excellent and I bet it was really cheap, just to give you an idea.

I understand what you are saying, and i agree safety is paramount. lets exlpore the other options of suspension for a second. what can i do other than a 3pt in to improve suspension and traction? the gt-four rear bar does nothing for me. my stock coupe was way more stable

[presure2]

IDK, jesse...IMO building ANY type of roll cage is NOT a place you wanna be experimenting and learning at all.
IMO its really not worth the risk, besides the fact that its not gonna stiffen the car as much as the other stuff people here are talking about.

[playr158]

my hatch w/coilovers and a gt4 rear bar could oversteer
and purplegt4 has TEIN SS w/sways and his car is tight as a virgin

roll cages really arn't ment for "stiffening" of the rear...you just need to work on your suspension setup better

This post has been edited by playr158: Jan 18, 2007 - 5:25 PM

[dagreat1]

i'm in the navy rotc my self i plan on making use of that loan next year

[jcbass7]

IDK, jesse...IMO building ANY type of roll cage is NOT a place you wanna be experimenting and learning at all.
IMO its really not worth the risk, besides the fact that its not gonna stiffen the car as much as the other stuff people here are talking about.

wouldn't be expirimenting, since i have someone who used to do it for a job with his father helping, but i am starting to look at the points people are making about it not stiffening as much as i want it to

my hatch w/coilovers and a gt4 rear bar could oversteer
and purplegt4 has TEIN SS w/sways and his car is tight as a virgin

roll cages really arn't ment for "stiffening" of the rear...you just need to work on your suspension setup better

Ok so say i build a 3pt front and a 3pt rear, what other custom peices could we fabricate to help out with handling?

Also, what should i do for a harness bar then? Just weld a cross member between the B-pillars?


once again i want to thank everyone who has offered input, it is definatly helping me form my opinion on everything.

PS: these are my current susp mods and future plans

gt4 rear bar
stock front bar
kyb gr2's in the mail right now
tien s-techs waiting for kyb's

I can't afford Tien SS coilovers

and susp tech sways are coming next paycheck


If i drop the cage idea:
3pt custom rear strut
3pt custom front strut

^ what else.. i could do side tower braces

[jcbass7]

i'm in the navy rotc my self i plan on making use of that loan next year

are you enlisting or going to the academy? I'll be at the coast guard academy next year and all of my class mates (except for us 22 coasties) will be at annapolis


EDIT: read your profile, got it mixed with jrotc for a second, how is ROTC treating you?

This post has been edited by jcbass7: Jan 18, 2007 - 5:49 PM