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Over the past few days, I've finally had time to touch my car after months of not being able to work on it because of school and work.
A while ago, I came across a good deal on an AE111 ECU. I bought the ECU, and have been working to get my silvertop 4A-GE running on the new ECU. This thread will document some parts of the AE111 conversion. First things first, I had to get the old wiring out of the car. Because of my stupid old wiring setup, the harness was squeezed between the intake manifold and valve cover, so I had to remove the valve cover to get the harness out. ![]() Then I removed the passenger seat and parts of the dash for easy access to the ECU and body harness plugs. ![]() I took notes of where every wire went on the ECU plugs and body harness plugs, and I then proceeded to start unlooming the harness. Some things had to be cut, so I took good notes and labeled wires before I cut them. ![]() I continued removing stuff...I found it easier to work with the throttle cable and stuff out of the way. Individual throttle bodies...mmmmm... ![]() Finally, I got the entire harness unloomed. As I took notes and unloomed the harness, I came across some interesting things. First off, my knock sensor was spliced into a ground wire before it made it to the ECU...I'm sure that wasn't good. Also, my oxygen sensor was wired incorrectly, with both white wires of the Bosch four-wire oxygen sensor going to the HT pin on the AE101 ECU. Also, the black ground wire of the oxygen sensor was grounded to a chassis ground point, not the sensor ground pin on the ECU. Here is the unloomed harness. You can see some of my notes on this photo. I took tons of notes so that I could put everything back to the way it was if desired. ![]() Once I had everything unloomed, I began modifying the harness to suit my new ECU, which has a significant number of changes as far as where wires go on the ECU plugs. Also, I had to remove the AFM plug and add plugs for an intake air temperature sensor (that I got from a fifth gen. Celica ST) and a manifold absolute pressure sensor (that I got from a sixth gen. Celica ST.) None of the body harness plugs had to be changed, except for the circuit opening relay, which now gets its FC signal from the ECU, rather than the AFM on the old setup. To minimize soldering joints and keep things clean, I de-pinned my ECU plugs, removed un-necessary wires, and moved pins around. I highly recommend that you do this, as it keeps things clean and it's easy once you know how to de-pin those plugs. For most Toyota plugs, there is a lock that pries up with something small and pointy, like a safety pin. This must be pulled up before pins can be removed. ![]() On a Honda plug (I found my 22-pin ECU plug from a '94 or '95 Honda Accord because I couldn't find a suitable one on a Toyota,) the locks are different, and are simply flaps at the back of the plug that must be pried open, like in the photo below. ![]() Once the lock is unlocked, you can see tabs in the side opposite of the wires (the side that plugs into whatever...in my case, the ECU.) These tabs must be pried up with something like a safety pin, and then once they're up, the pins will pull out from the wire-side of the plug. It takes some patience to get the hang of it, or at least it did for me, but once you've got it figured out it becomes easy. And by the way, the pins just push right back in and snap into place. And I found that the Toyota pins are not interchangeable with the Honda pins. And also, the pins vary in size and not every pin will work in every connector, or even in different parts of the same connector. With the ECU plug pins moved, I completed most of the connections on my harness. I then triple checked all of my connections, tracing them out by hand and with the multimeter to ensure correctness. Once I was pretty confident that my wiring was correct, I taped the harness up a bit, plugged everything in, and prepared to hook up the battery and start up the car. I hooked up the battery and listened and looked for anything out of the ordinary, like wires getting hot or burning, etc. Everything seemed fine, so I put the car in diagnostic mode. To do this, you short the TE1 pin on the ECU to the E1 ECU pin, at least in my case, because I removed my diagnostic box. Once in diagnostic mode, I turned the car to on, but didn't start it yet. The check engine light began flashing, indicating that I have a code 21, or a miswired oxygen sensor. After talking with Dr. Tweak, he kindly told me that I shouldn't have had both white wires of the oxygen sensor wired to the HT ECU pin, and that one of the wires should go to ignition power. Once I made the change, my code went away, and I had no more codes, which is indicated by a constantly quick flashing check engine light when in diagnostic mode. With no more codes, it was time to start the car. I made sure all my wiring was out of the way, vacuum lines were in order, etc., and then I cranked the car, and it fired right up instantly. I ran around ensuring that everything looked normal and nothing was burning or acting strangely, and then I let the ECU adjust itself over a period of a few minutes. At this point, the bay looked like this. ![]() With wires everywhere and things like the IAT and MAP sensors just sitting there, I couldn't drive the car, so I just revved the car a couple times, and wow, the sound of the open throttle bodies is amazing. Everything seemed to be in order, so I turned the car off, checked for codes again in diagnostic mode, and found none. I then removed the battery and removed the harness so that I could finish it up and loom everything up. Before the weekend, my velocity stacks arrived, so I had to modify them to fit my intake manifold. ![]() As you can see, the place where the holes were was cut, so that now there are notches. This was done because the holes didn't match the holes on my intake manifold, which are a little bit further apart than the velocity stacks. I then bolted them on, loomed up the harness, cleaned up some vacuum line routing, installed the VVT plug and OEM Toyota coil (from a ST164 Celica with a 3S-GE,) and then hooked the battery back up. When all of this was done, the bay still wasn't complete, but it was clean enough to go for a drive. ![]() So I started the car, checked for codes, found none, and proceeded to let the car warm up and adjust itself. Once adjusted and warmed up, I went for a drive, with mixed emotions. First off, the car absolutely screams at wide open throttle. The sound of the air rushing through the velocity stacks and into the individual throttle bodies at full throttle is indescribable. It's crazy loud and sounds kind of like DOHC VTEC on steroids. That said however, the car is running like crap. At partial throttle, the car has virtually no power, and when you do floor it you don't get instant throttle response like before. Instead, the car feels like it bogs down and hesitates for a moment, and then it gets fast and runs well until redline. Also, the idle remains at 1500 RPM. I'm pretty sure it's a vacuum issue, and this is the point that I'm stuck at right now. Here is my current vacuum setup. ![]() First off, take note of vacuum spot circled in yellow. First, I had that spot connected to a line, to a metal tube, to another line, to another metal tube, and finally to another smaller rubber line that was open. When I first had the car running on the new ECU, this was how it was, and the car idled at 900 RPM just as it should and revved just fine. So when I was removing extra vacuum lines, I removed the extra lines and tubes and crap from that vacuum spot that eventually just were open. But I'm thinking that the smaller line that eventually just went to the atmosphere must have restricted airflow a bit. This vacuum spot initially went to the intake manifold plenum, after the AFM and before the ITBs, and is supposedly the "power steering rack and pinion's vacuum idle up valve / compensator return hole" according to this site. But anyway, after reading the explanation on that site, I tried capping that vacuum spot, pulled the EFI fuse so the ECU could reset, and then started the car and let it adjust. Idle was fine, at about 900 RPM, but when I revved the motor, the response was VERY laggy. So as the car was running, I removed the cap, and the idle went up, but immediately, the engine would again rev instantly. I shut off the car and reset the ECU again, and the car idled very high on immediate startup (like 2500 RPM...about 500 higher than normal when it's first adjusting) and once it was adjusted, the idle was still at 1500 RPM. This is the current state that the car is in, and when I was driving the car, this is how it was. I'm thinking that perhaps that vacuum line has to do with my high idle and bad driveability problems. Anyone have any ideas there? Or, perhaps it could be my three foot long vacuum line to my MAP sensor I'm thinking. On the Toyotas I've seen, it's typically been short, like 6-9" or so, but mine is quite a bit longer to accomodate my hidden remote mounting location for the MAP sensor. I'm guessing that three feet is too long...anyone have any input? Keep in mind that the car idled and ran beautifully before I swapped in the new ECU. And I'm not throwing any codes at all at the moment. What do you guys think? And any comments thus far are welcome as well...I'll be adding to this thread as I accomplish more on the car. -------------------- New Toyota project coming soon...
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Coomer My Engine Bay Renovation Thread Jan 29, 2007 - 2:23 AM
WannabeGT4 I'd have to check my diagrams at home but I... Apr 5, 2007 - 7:54 AM
Coomer QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Apr 5, 2007 - 5:5... Apr 5, 2007 - 11:02 AM
WannabeGT4 Turns out that I don't have schematics for the... Apr 5, 2007 - 6:51 PM
Coomer QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Apr 5, 2007 - 4:5... Apr 5, 2007 - 8:11 PM
Kwanza26 You gonna use the stock stacks Chris? I'm run... Apr 5, 2007 - 10:56 PM
Coomer QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Apr 5, 2007 - 8:56... Apr 6, 2007 - 4:04 AM
OrbitalGT95 QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 6, 2007 - 9:04 AM... Apr 6, 2007 - 10:40 AM
Coomer Thanks for the comments guys.
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quick questi... Apr 6, 2007 - 12:12 PM
x_itchy_b_x this is gunna look sweet. your bay is gunna be nak... Apr 6, 2007 - 6:51 AM
Hanyo QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 6, 2007 - 2:04 AM... Apr 6, 2007 - 8:23 AM
playr158 wow thats pretty creative.....
man i just keep ri... Apr 6, 2007 - 8:49 AM
x_itchy_b_x sticky this lol "how to make your engine bay... Apr 6, 2007 - 9:41 AM
uberschall looking good, coomer.
i thought you already had y... Apr 6, 2007 - 2:24 PM
Coomer QUOTE(uberschall @ Apr 6, 2007 - 12... Apr 6, 2007 - 3:59 PM
nik nice and clean A+ Apr 6, 2007 - 10:11 PM
Coomer Tonight I got the fusebox harness mostly completed... Apr 7, 2007 - 4:10 AM
playr158 leave teh battery in the trunk! Apr 7, 2007 - 7:00 AM
Coomer QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 7, 2007 - 5:00 ... Apr 7, 2007 - 3:52 PM
lagos its going to be tricky mounting the battery in the... Apr 7, 2007 - 4:51 PM
uberschall +1 on leaving it in the trunk. what kind of termi... Apr 7, 2007 - 5:27 PM
Coomer Today I mounted my temporary battery, remote termi... Apr 7, 2007 - 10:32 PM
tonytutino thats pretty sick looking, how do those remote bat... Apr 7, 2007 - 10:37 PM
Coomer QUOTE(tonytutino @ Apr 7, 2007 - 8:3... Apr 8, 2007 - 12:05 AM
uberschall looks really good.
hope you don't plan on... Apr 8, 2007 - 10:55 AM
Coomer QUOTE(uberschall @ Apr 8, 2007 - 8:5... Apr 8, 2007 - 11:58 AM
Bitter its still a good idea to run a ground to the front... Apr 8, 2007 - 3:13 PM
Coomer QUOTE(Bitter @ Apr 8, 2007 - 1:13 PM... Apr 8, 2007 - 5:30 PM
Bigmeanbulldog55 I didn't think you could mount a coolent bottl... Apr 8, 2007 - 6:12 PM
Valo666 coom..thouse battery terminals look gangsta lol. I... Apr 8, 2007 - 8:23 PM
Coomer QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Apr 8, 2007 - 4... Apr 9, 2007 - 4:47 PM
Bigmeanbulldog55 QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 9, 2007 - 5:47 PM... Apr 9, 2007 - 5:03 PM
Valo666 i wouldnt reuse them..and i would use red loctite.... Apr 9, 2007 - 4:53 PM
Coomer Thanks for the input guys...I'll have to see i... Apr 9, 2007 - 5:26 PM
Bitter i think that is correct, do your injectors batch f... Apr 9, 2007 - 5:50 PM
playr158 i know on the 7afe....
the outter 2 cylinders wer... Apr 9, 2007 - 6:02 PM
Coomer Today I got a lot done. I started by dropping the... Apr 10, 2007 - 12:36 AM
Valo666 looks good coom. Nice shiny flywheel. Are you gonn... Apr 10, 2007 - 1:13 PM
Bitter QUOTE(Valo666 @ Apr 10, 2007 - 1:13 ... Apr 10, 2007 - 1:20 PM
tonytutino there would be something funny about yellow header... Apr 10, 2007 - 1:21 PM
Bigmeanbulldog55 I like nice black motor mounts. It gives some con... Apr 10, 2007 - 11:30 PM
Coomer QUOTE (Valo666 @ Apr 10, 2007 - 11:1... Apr 11, 2007 - 4:18 AM
Coomer Oh man, I want to drive my car so badly! I rea... Apr 11, 2007 - 9:00 PM
netrata Off topic, Coom, sent you pm on something I need h... Apr 11, 2007 - 9:21 PM
90CelicaST Hey Coomer, great thread, and nice car. I was wond... Apr 14, 2007 - 11:46 PM
Coomer QUOTE (90CelicaST @ Apr 14, 2007 - 9... Apr 15, 2007 - 1:31 AM
BloodyStupidDavey QUOTE(90CelicaST @ Apr 15, 2007 - 5... Apr 16, 2007 - 3:19 PM
presure2 chris, if i may suggest somthing.
if you want your... Apr 15, 2007 - 8:00 AM
Coomer QUOTE(presure2 @ Apr 15, 2007 - 6:00... Apr 15, 2007 - 1:35 PM
WannabeGT4 CF is an input on both the 3S and 5S ECU... I doub... Apr 15, 2007 - 3:11 PM
Coomer QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Apr 15, 2007 - 1... Apr 16, 2007 - 9:48 AM
Bigmeanbulldog55 I would be careful with anything that keeps under ... Apr 15, 2007 - 9:10 PM
Coomer Also, Wannabe, how do you know it's an input o... Apr 16, 2007 - 1:32 PM
BloodyStupidDavey QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 16, 2007 - 7:32 P... Apr 16, 2007 - 3:27 PM
Coomer QUOTE(BloodyStupidDavey @ Apr 16, 2007 ... Apr 16, 2007 - 8:55 PM
WannabeGT4 Well, without it connected the fans operate normal... Apr 16, 2007 - 2:43 PM
WannabeGT4 Ok. I had some time to look at it again and it... Apr 16, 2007 - 9:41 PM
Coomer QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Apr 16, 2007 - 7... Apr 16, 2007 - 9:58 PM
Coomer I just got off the phone with Champion Toyota, and... Apr 17, 2007 - 11:05 AM
Coomer My flywheel bolts finally came yesterday, so I was... Apr 25, 2007 - 7:29 AM
94celicadude looking great Coomer, just keep us updated, we are... Apr 25, 2007 - 9:04 AM
Coomer QUOTE(94celicadude @ Apr 25, 2007 - 7... Apr 25, 2007 - 9:35 AM
94celicadude QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 25, 2007 - 2:35 P... Apr 26, 2007 - 8:16 PM
Valo666 sooo close. Cant wait to see it all back together. Apr 25, 2007 - 1:12 PM
Coomer So far today I just have been working on a few min... Apr 25, 2007 - 6:36 PM
Coomer Tonight I got the motor back in with the help of m... Apr 26, 2007 - 2:11 AM
macavely QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 26, 2007 - 3:11 A... Apr 26, 2007 - 2:55 AM
hellsyphon I usually use a dremel with the cutting disk. Try ... Apr 26, 2007 - 2:16 AM
Coomer QUOTE(hellsyphon @ Apr 26, 2007 - 12... Apr 26, 2007 - 12:17 PM
x_itchy_b_x i used a hack saw with a metal blade in it for cut... Apr 26, 2007 - 12:24 PM
Coomer Thanks for the tip John. I don't think I'm... Apr 26, 2007 - 12:49 PM
Coomer So I'm thinking about re-doing my fuel line an... Apr 26, 2007 - 2:33 PM
Bitter use studs, then a flat cross bar since its a Hex s... Apr 26, 2007 - 7:37 PM
Coomer QUOTE(Bitter @ Apr 26, 2007 - 5:37 P... Apr 26, 2007 - 11:31 PM
cjh4l22 is it legal to be that clean? Apr 27, 2007 - 12:40 AM
Coomer So I got paid today and I'm considering purcha... Apr 27, 2007 - 3:38 PM
playr158 do you have an AFC system or something to make min... Apr 27, 2007 - 3:48 PM
Coomer QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 27, 2007 - 1:48... Apr 27, 2007 - 3:52 PM
x_itchy_b_x id say it was the length more than diameter. the l... Apr 27, 2007 - 3:53 PM
Coomer Thanks for the info John. I may just go with the 6... Apr 27, 2007 - 5:04 PM
Batman722 QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 27, 2007 - 6:04 P... Apr 28, 2007 - 9:13 PM
Coomer It's alive!
I got enough stuff in to hoo... Apr 28, 2007 - 2:22 AM
mikeismad0408 SWEET!!! glad you got it running man, ... Apr 28, 2007 - 2:38 AM
Coomer There are some weird things going on. For some rea... Apr 28, 2007 - 8:45 AM
Bitter the output from the speed sensor needs to be sheil... Apr 28, 2007 - 9:21 AM
Coomer QUOTE(Bitter @ Apr 28, 2007 - 7:21 A... Apr 28, 2007 - 11:02 AM
OrbitalGT95 chris, go ahead and pop the rear of the hood, drif... Apr 28, 2007 - 10:03 AM
Bitter i dunno about toyota, but on GM's they sheild ... Apr 28, 2007 - 1:16 PM
Coomer QUOTE(Bitter @ Apr 28, 2007 - 11:16 ... Apr 28, 2007 - 7:21 PM
Coomer So far today I haven't gotten much done.
I d... Apr 28, 2007 - 9:16 PM
Bitter why not just grab the $2 gasket from toyota o... Apr 28, 2007 - 9:42 PM
Coomer QUOTE(Bitter @ Apr 28, 2007 - 7:42 P... Apr 28, 2007 - 9:52 PM
Bitter just a rubber ring, cut somewhat rectangular in sh... Apr 28, 2007 - 10:04 PM
Hanyo coomer, why dont you lift up the driver side of th... Apr 29, 2007 - 12:41 AM
Coomer QUOTE(Bitter @ Apr 28, 2007 - 8:04 P... Apr 29, 2007 - 12:54 AM
netrata Is the gasket for the water outlet housing the one... Apr 29, 2007 - 1:54 AM
Hanyo QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 28, 2007 - 10:54 ... Apr 29, 2007 - 5:13 AM
Bitter haha, push the clutch in man that should stop th... Apr 29, 2007 - 8:36 AM
Coomer QUOTE(netrata @ Apr 28, 2007 - 11:54... Apr 29, 2007 - 9:44 AM
lagos coomer... it sounds like an electrical problem mak... Apr 29, 2007 - 9:58 AM![]() ![]() |
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