JL Audio W7 Options

[KB-2]

okay....so ive been thinking alot...and i really want to get Jl audio subs.

i want to get W7.

now im either gonan get

three 10's
or
two 12's

they will be w7's

and i have yet to decide what amp to get.

my only question is how hard will three 10's actully pound?

i want to be able to atleast pound a little....like so you cna hear me coming from a lil bit away.

i know the 12's will be much louder and pound more, but i really want to get that tight clean punchy bass


so any feedback would be great!

[tim86]

my buddy has 3 10' w0's on a 500/1 and they werent as loud as my type r's... w7 is a whole diff story tho... if u got the $$$ then get 2 of those with a jl 1000/1 amp and ull lose hearing, since thats what it seems like u want 12 or 10, the w7 will pound regardless... money is the biggest factor with jl

[pittfirefighter]

okay, 10 inch subs.... if you're going to spend the money on a W7, get 12 inch, the sound is crystal clear and they hit HARD, however, if you play a lot of metal... you're not going to get the full effect due to quick double bass hits and whatnot... if you want a loud quick 10 inch... don't waste your money on a W7, too overpriced for what you're looking for... the 10 inch W7 is built for sound... not THUMP... take a look at a cerwin vega 10" stroker, i think its exactly what you're looking for, not too mention sound way better than any JL anyday....(cerwin vega in general)... the only real question is do you have the budget for the amps to power these monsters? they are RMS 2000watts...\


EDIT: i had two of these in my car before i wrecked it and i couldn't sit in the car and turn the music up all the way...

This post has been edited by pittfirefighter: Mar 11, 2007 - 6:58 PM

[KB-2]

so.....im getting two totally diffrent opinions here.......


i really think i want two 10's right now

with this box
http://gforceperformanceaudio.com/
(the one for 2 10's)

and i wouldnt be able to afford a jl amp....to pricey, but i was thinkin a Hifonics amp http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/Pr...ProductID=16370

tahts what im thinking right now.....but right now the biggest concern would be is if the 2 10 W7's will "pound" i know they will sound amazing, but i also want to be able to pound that **** too! haha

ohhh and would anyone happen to kno the exact dimensions for the COUPE trunk?? jsut wondering.....

[tim86]

no offense but ur very indecisive with ur system choices... JL w7's will still pound, regardless of their great sound quality... what you put in ($$$) is what you get out... when ur moving up to this level of power coming from amps, ull need to upgrade other electrical componenets, or u will be getting very upset when your alt goes out, or when some other electrical problem happens... look into a cap, new battery, and possibly a new alt, because that hifonics amp is a beast and will be drawing much more power than u can give it... these electrical problems/upgrades were why i settled for my 1200 and why i still have it... hopefully something out of all of that is useful though, ill keep trying to help u along, plus keep in mind, im no pro, im just speaking on my learnings when i was just like you going through a lot of diff equipment and not knowing what to get

[pittfirefighter]

ok if you want to push more than 600 watts, you'll need a cap too, more than 1000, new battery and new alt is never a bad idea, and you last post brings up a very good point i forgot to mention that many people don't know... the amplifier IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE SYSTEM... a good amplifier with bad subs will sound bad, however, a sub-par amplifier will make the best subs sound like trash and can RUIN your subs, distortion blows subs and the greatest factor of distortion is the amp, invest your money in a good amp before good subs... if you want a good system, good response, good amplification, good thump, and a good price, look into elemental design subs and amps... www.edesignaudio.com, their edead is also world renown.....

[KB-2]

well the 10 W7's run at 500 rms and has a peak of 1000

i want 2 10's

so i really only need a amp w/ like 2000 something watts
and is it possible to use a "mono" amp for 2 subs?

and waht amp would you reccomend?....i cnat spend a million dollars on a amp, so wahts a decent amp for these subs?

and how does it work...when you get the subs their own battery and place it in the trunk? do you jsut wire the subs to hte battery? hows that work?


but i deff want the 2 10's....as of right now

[GTS13]

With the W7's in 10s you're gonna do just fine. Since they run 500 RMS then you're gonna want a mono amp class D and just run the wiring for them both together.
As for hooking them up, you just get an amp wiring kit and run it off the positive of the battery under your hood. If you're worried about your power then get a capacitor to store the extra power you'll be using so that your lights don't dim every time the bass hits. lol.

[pittfirefighter]

With the W7's in 10s you're gonna do just fine. Since they run 500 RMS then you're gonna want a mono amp class D and just run the wiring for them both together.

DO NOT DO THIS!! haha this is why you pay a shop to install systems.... physics is very important


ok let me try and walk you through this.... the W7's cannot be wired to ONE amp... you need TWO.... unless we step back and redo all of the electrical components like we said before...

the w7's are 3 ohm subs <-- yeah i know, so dumb, nothing is rated at 3 ohms

these cannot be wired in parallel because it will drop your resistance to 1.5 and i have yet to find a cheaper amp that can handle anything below 2 sufficiently, either the distortion is ridiculous (blow your subs) or they draw so much power at 1.5 that even a cap won't do, you'll have to redo electrical (kenwoods are notorious for this, even at 2 ohms)
Series is also not going to work cause i do not know of any sensible amps that put out over 1000 watts at 6 ohms... so either buy two amps, one for each sub or find a new sub....

[GTS13]

Wow good insight! I didn't even think about that, but conveniently JL Audio's monoblock amps run 1.5-4 ohm impedance. So as long as you get one of their Slash-series amps I would think you would be ok. I can imagine they charge you a pretty penny for them though lol.
What kind of world are we coming to with hardware DRMs?

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=221

This post has been edited by GTS13: Mar 14, 2007 - 5:08 PM

[pittfirefighter]

yes that $700+ amp would work if you revamped the entire electrical system, at 1.5 ohms, the amp is going to try to pull an enormous amount of power from the car... you will need at least a 2 farad cap and deep cycle battery like optima yellow top, you might be alright with it as a single battery alone but you're going to have a rougher engine start, so i would run it as a second battery

[GTS13]

So the ultimate consensus is that: Dude you're aiming for the wrong woofer lol. I have two Infinity Kappa Perfect 10.1s waiting for install, I need to buy the rest of my equipment, you'd probably be way better off getting something like those.

[KB-2]

oaky wow.

alright so looks like JL is out of the question.

ummmm

im feeling kicker L7

any thoughts?

[KB-2]

okay......

two 10' Kicker L7's

now waht you guys think?

they will most likely be powered by a hifonics 1200 rms amp w/ a peak power of 2400 watss...(supposedly )

[devilsden97]

for the record, you'll never reach PEAK, on any subwoofer. (with I normal SANE budget)

[pittfirefighter]

HAHA, ok so you're going from JL W 7's which are some of the best subs on the market but for certain applications... like one W7, with the right amp is absolutely amazing.... to kicker's.... hmmmm kicker, probably one of the most hyped names in subwoofers that does not deserve it... behind kenwood and pioneer but thats just because people buy stuff from Best Buy , i've been hearing a lot of hype about hifonics amps... still have not put them in a customer's ride but haven't heard too much negative about them yet... from a user, from an installer, from someone who loves music...
LOOK INTO THESE, SUBS AND AMPS ARE BOTH AMAZING, THERE IS NO MIDDLE MAN... they don't sell to retailers so what you pay for... is what you get....

www.edesignaudio.com
this is always the first company i suggest to any customer... check them out... 11ov2 should be just what you need, get the dual 2ohm version (2 of them) and the nine.1, run the coils in series and the subs parallel, gives you 450 watts at 12.5 volts to each sub at 2 ohms on amp.... PERFECTO... and you can combine them in a package and save $100+ and even more if you buy a box from them...
they will HIT HARD, they will sound amazing and you will be happy

[applejax]

There's a lot of misconceptions flying around this thread.

That eD suggestion is, by far, the best and most complete thought in this thread.

[tim86]

There's a lot of misconceptions flying around this thread.

That eD suggestion is, by far, the best and most complete thought in this thread.

Good job stating the obvious, but please if you say there are a lot of misconceptions, then correct them, and maybe add a "complete thought" of your own.

[KB-2]

okay....so you guys reccomend 2 10's of the elementals?
w/ the mono amp?

[KB-2]

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_i...;products_id=34

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_i...;products_id=44

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_i...products_id=119


right? my only question.....is what freking size are those woofers? it dosent say anywhere?

and will that amp give enough power for 2 of those subs???

and you guys are positive these thigns hit hard and sound good??