3sgte info, a lot of good information Options

[NEVERSTOP]

3sgte with front mount intercooler


Here is all the information that I have obtained about the 3sgte.

This engine will swap into any Celica that supports a 3s or 5s series motor. The 3sgte will also swap into Celicas with the A series motors but this does require more work than a S series Celica.

The 3sgte is classified by GENS... like the gens of a vehicle there are gens of motors. The gen of a motor determines from which production years the engine was produced. The start of a new gen usally coincides with the start of a new vehicle gen, although there are some gens that apear in different years of different vehicles.

GEN ONE*
10/87 - 8/89 ST165 Celica GT4/Alltrac

GEN TWO*
10/89 - 8/93 ST185 Celica GT4/Alltrac
1/90 - 6/95 SW20 MR2 Turbo

GEN THREE*
9/94 - 8/99 ST205 Celica GT4/Alltrac

* There are other models that have the 3sgte in them but this is the common vehicles that coincied with the respective GENS.

The GENS are also subdivided by the Group of the motor... There are two groups of the 3sgte. The first is GROUP B this is the original version of the motor and is usally just referred to as the 3sgte. The second is GROUP A this is the higher output version of the 3sgte.. GROUP A was a limited edition of the 2nd and 3rd GEN that was a fully built rally version of the 3sgte, these where also known as the CARLOS SAINTZ or R/C edition, and there where approx 2500 of the 3rd gen R/C's produced, I am not sure to the amount of the 2nd gen R/C's that where produced. The GROUP A motors had a few of the advance features turned off, where not present or just did not function.

The HP rating of these versions are as follows,variances are due to different transmission types and Group vesions

GEN ONE
185hp @ 6000 rpm

GEN TWO
200 - 225 hp @ 6000 rpm

GEN THREE
255 - 346 hp @ 6000rpm

Here are the Japanese specs for the 3sgte you will want to save this file to view it better or email me and I will send it to you [URL=mailto:XNEVERSTOPX@aol.com] please include your email address as the 6th gen forum email option will not allow images to be sent.





Here are the US specs for the 3sgte all info is the same as Japanese specs except following






There are some small variations between motors but above is the main jist of it.

Here are a few useful links for buying a 3sgte.. on the 1st one also has 4agze's for sale
Really good place for motors
japan direct
another good one with 3sgte's instock

Here are some good links for info about the swap
topshelfracing
toyotacelicaonline

Here are some good sites that deal with the 3sgte
Fensport
alltrac





I will continue to update this post with any information that I find on the 3sgte

[all4sho94st]

good info.

[Mynzeyes]

the engine will swap into any celica. no just those that support 3s and 5s engines. it's just a tad bit easier in those.
-John-

[SiKBOY]

even the 1st Gen Celica? Now that would be a mad swap.

[NEVERSTOP]

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even the 1st Gen Celica? Now that would be a mad swap.

no that is the 1st gen of the engine not the Celica... the 3sgte didnt show up until the ST165 or the 4th gen Celica.

[0Re0]

I want a 3SGTE now

[FallenHero]

has anybody on here switched to the 3s from an 'A' series motor?

[NEVERSTOP]

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has anybody on here switched to the 3s from an 'A' series motor?

Yeah It has been done before.. I had a GT before my swap and that is a S series motor but if you go to celica.net I am sure that you can find someone that has done the swap from a A series and can give you more info.

I do know a little about A-S swap but not enuf to be complete


PS: my avatar is KICK ASS!!!! if enone wants the TRD one that I had before let me know an I will email you the file

[FallenHero]

Is the 4age a direct swap for the 7afe?

[NEVERSTOP]

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Is the 4age a direct swap for the 7afe?

Your are supposed to be able to swap these directly but I don't know of neone that has done this swap personally, do have a friend with a 5th gen ST that is looking into it and I will be helping him with the swap if he does do it but right now I don't know a whole lot about the A series, but would think that the swap would be pretty straight forward though with the hardest part being the wiring. Just be sure that if you plan on doing this that you either purchause the whole clip or at least get the engine.transmission.ECU and wiring harness... the rest should just be relocation kind of stuff.

The more that I think of it the wiring would be really hard in this swap as there wasn't a Celica that eversupported the 4agze.... probably would have to do some custom wiring to make everything work right.

Talk to Mynzeyes or Jason they should be able to help you a little more on the 4agze

[Coomer]

QUOTE (FallenHero @ Jan 1 2003, 08:20 PM)

Is the 4age a direct swap for the 7afe?

Yep, it is a direct swap. Xpander has done the swap in his ST and said that the engine dropped right in. You don't have to change engine mounts or anything, and you can even use your stock axles and transmission if desired.

Check out Xpander's profile here for more information.

FallenHero: Mike(Qatar11 on here and on Celica.net) dropped a 2nd gen. 3S-GTE into his ST. More info is available here.

[rlan214]

QUOTE (FallenHero @ Jan 1 2003, 08:12 PM)

has anybody on here switched to the 3s from an 'A' series motor?

dont know if he post here but qatar11 from celica.net did it already

[NiTTo]

OMG OREO!!! Is that pic your car???? Sjeez nice paintjob. Could you plz upload some more pictures of your car! I really love it

Thnx + Happy new Year


_NiTTo_

[celica3sgte]

I put the 3sgte into my st which originally had a 7afe in it. It's the same difficulty as the gt motor with an S block but you need more parts. It's a perfect fit. And what is that **** that oreo has underneath his signature, obviously not pics of that car. Get that **** off there.

[Coomer]

QUOTE (spongebob @ Jan 2 2003, 10:40 AM)

And what is that **** that oreo has underneath his signature, obviously not pics of that car. Get that **** off there.

I'm sure it's just the car that he admires. He's not claiming that it's his car.

[boosted_K2]

QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Jan 1 2003, 03:59 AM)

hey its mikes bay!!!!..... well used to be....
good info this will help alot thanks!