what i have noticed with neon strut bar Options

[95st-celica]

You realize you started this thread asking for suggestions and since then have shot down and belittled anyone actually trying to help you out. The simple fact is that strut bar isnt helping you or hurting you. Your driving is, you drive to fast and take turns way to fast. 75 mph might not be a insane speed to drive at on a freeway with everyone else but your claiming to do that speed on ramps leading any one of us to believe your doing much more then that on a straight road. You havent been on this site long enough to realize that some of these people offering help are actually trying to help. Others just think your cement idea is a good way to get our daily laugh in. If your actually THAT concerned with the way your car is taking turns you would have spent the real cash for a real strut bar. Sway bars and a rear strut bar will help also but no matter how stable you make you car, unless you pair it all up with a decent spring/shock settup and good tires, something is going to give when you take turns at 75mph. If your not willing to take suggestions then dont bother asking for them.

but i dont understand how/where/when i drive has anything to do with what im talking about...maybe thats the reason im getting a little upset...because people are bringing up things that are completely irrelavent to what i asked....sorry i havent been on the forum for as long as you but that doesnt mean i am unfamilar with cars and the way they handle....to me at 1 in the morning with no one on the road..75-80 mph seems like a safe speed....suspension/springs/tires is exactly what i need but this strut bar is defintally doing something to the way the car performs

[1bwilson]

Tires are your connection to the road, even if you stiffen up your body and add 1k+ weight (trying to be overly dramatic to add example) if your tires cant handle the traction you will slide. Another thing to consider is the tempiture of the road/tires when you took the turns. Anything and everything can change the situation and produce different results.

[95st-celica]

tire pressure was where they should be at or around(33-34) pounds...tempertature was some what warmer...75+ and the road im sure was quite warm also..all contrubators to good traction...well except for the tire pressure which i guess could be lowerd some for improved traction

[jdg371]

My 97 ST can take offramps at 70mph with a STOCK suspension and good tires. o_O

[lubu]

playr wasnt wrong when he said inertia, when u make the turn the front half of the car turns and follows the new direction but the rear will still keeps on going straight because you only apply the force to the front wheels not the rear's (thus inertia).

To not swings out you must stop its momentum, and momentum is defined by mass and velocity, (since you increase mass at the rear end by cement ur momentum is higher than before),

Now if you want to visualise then consider this:
a trailer is connected to ur car, you are going at 75 mph and making a turn, at the exact moment of the turn the trailer got disconnected and it continues to go straight, let say for another 100m.
Now the same setup only this time you the trailer is loaded with a bag of cement. Same thing happened but the trailer only traveled 80 m this time.

The reason that you think the bag of the cement work?? well it doesnt, in reality ur momentum is much higher now, ur rear end is going "slower" (and you think its tighter at turns) because of the extra weight and thus more fuel are needed to pull that weight.

U talked abt go-kart and launching..thats completely off topic. Go-karts are totally different to car, they are short in lenght and hence have exellent cornering, they required extra weight because the body shell themselves are not heavy enough. Launching on the other hand is irrelavent, we are talking ur car IN motion and taking a turn.

Things that you can do, better tires, rear strut bar, better suspension, awd conversion?? . But keep on mind that ur car is a fwd you cannot apply a force to the rear end and its ALWAYS gonna slide (or swings)..Im not sure if all this info are correct, my physics is really rusty atm...but what ever you do, drive safe.