I'm loyal, but tired of Toyota only focusing on reliable economy c, Im excited for this, Options

[thespacepanda]

My discussion... It looks like a Lexus IS350. You want a car that's worth 25k? Get a Supra. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1995-TOYOTA...1QQcmdZViewItem

IS350 is a joke and its in no way a sports sedan, just a straight line fast lexus. Plus were talking about new cars and you would have to be some sort of fool to buy a used toyota thats over 10-14 years old for 25k.

My discussion... It looks like a Lexus IS350. You want a car that's worth 25k? Get a Supra. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1995-TOYOTA...1QQcmdZViewItem

Did you just post a link to an automatic Supra?

So? whats wrong with autos, an auto supra will always shift faster than a manual one. plus some of the best cars out there are autos...m3...ferrari...gt-r...need I say more

Shift faster, probably. More power, no. It takes power from the engine to fire up the torque converter thus a loss in power in autos. And to be honest if you have the right clutch, shifter, and experience, the difference in shifting between auto and manual is too minute to matter.

And don't start with ferraris, they're not really automatics, they just don't have a shifter.

[Havok1997GT]

As for Hyundai, its a Hybrid, no torqu, they havnt figured out that part yet for these hybrids there for making them crap.

......what?

Uh...yeah...what?

I like the hyundai tiburons the best, one of the few cars that a similar to the 6gc curve wise (and proves that our cars needed a v6 in them.)

I too have read where toyota was going to come back in 2009 with the celica. I haven't seen any concept ideas of it but I bet it would be similar to the 7gc but smoothed out a bit more. (mabey it will also come in an awd turbocharged format and brought to the states to compete with the scoobies/evos sold here) My wife said that if they did then we should get one. (I then told here "lets make love" because of that )

That would probably be the only time I buy a "new" car straight from the dealership.

All cars after the year 2000,and a lot even before then, are crap cars. The computers in them are so complex that you have to be certified to have any idea how to work on them, thus making the cars more expensive to work on, thus making parts expensive, and so on. And i believe that Manufacturers do this on purpose so cars only last 5 years before something major brakes on it and you either have to a buy A. buy a new car or B. spend an arm and a leg to pay a dealership to fix it cuz a lot of shops cant work on a lot of new cars cuz they dont have the right read outs to diagnose the problems.


Simply, new cars suck.

[FortuneCookie]

you would have to be some sort of fool to buy a used toyota thats over 10-14 years old for 25k.

You gotta be some sort of fool if you dont like the SUPRA. Owned. A Supra is a Supra. No matter how old it is.

This post has been edited by FortuneCookie: Dec 2, 2007 - 7:39 AM

[Bricy]

I don't care who you are, Supras are sexy cars whether they are manual or automatic your still driving a twin turbo beast

[j0e_p3t]

eh, it looks nice. v6, rwd. but its still a hyundai. and i'd much rather drive manual over auto. auto may be faster or what-not, but that's just the car driving. all these new cars are finding more ways to make the car do all the driving and take the fun away from the driver. i don't care if you have a 8 sec 1/4 mile auto car. that just the car, and all the driver does is say go.

[fastgt]

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you would have to be some sort of fool to buy a used toyota thats over 10-14 years old for 25k.

You gotta be some sort of fool if you dont like the SUPRA. Owned. A Supra is a Supra. No matter how old it is.

I never said I didn't like the supra(read my post closer). Don't get me wrong I love the supra but come on its not god. Sorry buddy no ownage here.

Joe I wont discount the car just because its a hyundai. But I do agree with you that a manual is more enjoyable to drive but it isn't always faster. For example my 335i is a manual but I know for sure that the 335i autos are faster than my car. Autos today are not the same auto trannies from 10 years ago, while they still do rob power its no where near as bad as older cars.

Ok if you want an example of a great auto tranny go drive any of the MBs AMG cars. Full auto and have the power to put a supra in their place.

[thespacepanda]

Ok if you want an example of a great auto tranny go drive any of the MBs AMG cars. Full auto and have the power to put a supra in their place.

Well yeah, it's a 120k dollar car. But we're not talking about '08 auto trannies, of course they're better. I'm talking about a 95 toyota automatic, its not faster than a stick overall.

[fastgt]

yes it is. and not all amgs are 120k

[duders]

Im pretty sure it isn't. Plus auto, IMO, is boring. Stick requires more skill, to be more in tune with the car.

Exotic cars like Ferrari, Lamborghini and etc. are not auto. Get that right.

As for us all, do we really need a 300HP+up car. I mean really we foam at the stats but most of the population can barely even park straight. Supra would be nice though