identifying the year of an engine Options

[JasonX]

is there anywhere on the engine that says what year it was made? I am considering getting used Japanese engine and I heard the 5sfe did not always have the same horsepower. 94-95 was the only time it was 135hp any other year was 130. So, if the engine is all by itself, how can I find out what year it is?


Thanks

[stetsonaw]

piece of advice, if you are going to get a japanese engine, get a 3s, if you are looking to do a swap. if not, then, well, can't help you there.

[JasonX]

piece of advice, if you are going to get a japanese engine, get a 3s, if you are looking to do a swap. if not, then, well, can't help you there.

3sgte?

[stetsonaw]

3rd gen 3sge is 177 bhp. i plan on turboing mine instead of swaping, due to the 3sge being N/A, i can get higher gains.
so, turbo'd 3sge would be faster than 3sgte.

This post has been edited by stetsonaw: Dec 13, 2007 - 11:14 AM

[Kadett]

3rd gen 3sge is 177 bhp. i plan on turboing mine instead of swaping, due to the 3sge being N/A, i can get higher gains.
so, turbo'd 3sge would be faster than 3sgte.

There's a limit in how far you can go with HC pistons. But the side feed manifold with ACIS and the better cams should give you an advantage if you go with LC pistons.

@Jasonx:

Like stetsonaw said: If your going to get a engine out of Japan, at least try to source a 3S-GE, you wont regret it.

[stetsonaw]

kadett, you lost me with all the piston talk, what are those HC and LC pistons found in, and can you elaborate on them for me? and what's ACIS?

[JasonX]

3rd gen 3sge is 177 bhp. i plan on turboing mine instead of swaping, due to the 3sge being N/A, i can get higher gains.
so, turbo'd 3sge would be faster than 3sgte.

There's a limit in how far you can go with HC pistons. But the side feed manifold with ACIS and the better cams should give you an advantage if you go with LC pistons.

@Jasonx:

Like stetsonaw said: If your going to get a engine out of Japan, at least try to source a 3S-GE, you wont regret it.

3rd gen 3sge: what years is that? also it's not the beams, right? how about modifications? does just mount straight in with no change to ecu or harness? the shop will be doing it so i don't want to labor to sky rocket. thanks so much

[Kadett]

HC=High Compression (3S-GE is 10.3)
LC = Low Compression (3S-GTE is 8.5)

Lower compression engines can handle more boost safely.

About the ACIS: Cant really explain it in words. Something to do with the volumetric control of the intake runners. Here's a pic:





@JasonX: I believe the 3S-GE is a straight in swap. Tranny (manual) is a direct bolt on (try to source the JDM/EU transmisson, it has a longer diff so also longer gears = higher mph per gear).

This post has been edited by Kadett: Dec 13, 2007 - 12:31 PM

[JasonX]

HC=High Compression (3S-GE is 10.3)
LC = Low Compression (3S-GTE is 8.5)

Lower compression engines can handle more boost safely.

About the ACIS: Cant really explain it in words. Something to do with the volumetric control of the intake runners. Here's a pic:





@JasonX: I believe the 3S-GE is a straight in swap. Tranny (manual) is a direct bolt on (try to source the JDM/EU transmisson, it has a longer diff so also longer gears = higher mph per gear).

can I keep my automatic transmission for the time being? Also i still need info on what year is 3rd gen. I don't think shop would know if I just say 3rd gen. Also is it beams or not. thanks again.

[Rusty]

http://www.turbomr2.com/MR2/Reference/TVIS/TVIS.htm
for more info on ACIS

simple to see if you have vvt-i
1. open hood
2. look at engine for 'beams', if not no vvt-i

also you could get a thicker head gasket?

This post has been edited by Rusty: Dec 13, 2007 - 1:59 PM

[Kadett]

ITs a regular 94-99 3S-GE engine. BEAMS engine was produced from late 1997 onwards. From what I know the auto tranny of a 5S-FE is the same as the 3S-GE version. The 'Auto tranny' 3s-ge had a different intake cam to have more low end torque and sacrificing high end HP (had 'only' 165-169bhp)

I think most engine would be sold with the 3S-GE tranny attached.

[JasonX]

ITs a regular 94-99 3S-GE engine. BEAMS engine was produced from late 1997 onwards. From what I know the auto tranny of a 5S-FE is the same as the 3S-GE version. The 'Auto tranny' 3s-ge had a different intake cam to have more low end torque and sacrificing high end HP (had 'only' 165-169bhp)

I think most engine would be sold with the 3S-GE tranny attached.

one last question on this engine: just to make sure, no need to change ecu or wiring harness, right?
thanks a bunch, i'll contact the shop today to see if they got it.

[Rusty]

where are you getting you turbo kit from for your 3S-GE? link?

[Kadett]

ITs a regular 94-99 3S-GE engine. BEAMS engine was produced from late 1997 onwards. From what I know the auto tranny of a 5S-FE is the same as the 3S-GE version. The 'Auto tranny' 3s-ge had a different intake cam to have more low end torque and sacrificing high end HP (had 'only' 165-169bhp)

I think most engine would be sold with the 3S-GE tranny attached.

one last question on this engine: just to make sure, no need to change ecu or wiring harness, right?
thanks a bunch, i'll contact the shop today to see if they got it.

No you will need the 3S-GE ECU and harness.

[JasonX]

the shop says they can't find a listing for the 3sge engine. They say according to all the celicas they say there's no 3sge. They said there listing either for the 3sgte or 5sfe. any ideas on how they search. wouldn't they just search for japanese 94-99 celica?

[Gary]

Like I told you on C.tech, if they said they can import you a used 5sfe engine from Japan, they don't know what they are doing. It just doesn't exist.
And if they told you they can't find a listing for 3sge engine, you should find another shop.

[stetsonaw]

as far as a turbo kit goes, it's a slow process, right now i'm trying to source a good ct26, and i'll go from there.

[JasonX]

Like I told you on C.tech, if they said they can import you a used 5sfe engine from Japan, they don't know what they are doing. It just doesn't exist.
And if they told you they can't find a listing for 3sge engine, you should find another shop.

thank you so much for opening my eyes. I almost bought the used 5sfe that probably had way too many miles on it. i think i'm gonna go with getting my own engine rebuilt route. 3sge seems like over my budget with having to change ecu, harness, and tranny. thanks a lot.

[JasonX]

this is the part my possible engine rebuilding place uses:
http://www.perfectengine.com/engine_parts_s/6.htm

[Rusty]

this might help on ACIS...
ACIS Info