Will's Project 5SGTE Options

[bccentaur3]

I honestly have never heard of a t36 turbo.

I can not stress enough on how much research you have to do when going into building any motor. I did hours of research before diving into this build and I'm still learning everyday.

If you want to build the 5s more power to you, but you will be dumping lots of money into it. The head will stop you from the gains you want.

Try this.

Whats your budget?
How different do you want to be?
How much power do you want to put down?
Why are you building it?

My budget= what ever I decide to spend on this build. The build all depends on how much money I want to spend over a period of time. And the period of time I have to build this is endless. Although I did set a date of when I want this bad boy running.

How different do I want to be= some people know what I'm putting the motor into and some don't. Since this is a 6th gen celica forum, I will only show the 6th gen worthy materials.

How much power= 300 right off the bat. 400whp in the long run.

Purpose to build this= its not my dd track use only.

[Dragondog]

ok well money im not worried nither time, diff yes but worthy and lookin for 600hp and the reason for is well its just my toy would like to take to track and show and meets

[bccentaur3]

If you got a bunch of money and time, I say swap in a 3rd gen 3sgte and stroke it.

[bccentaur3]

Thanks to Scott I got his used 3rd gen head gasket in the mail today. I'll have to mail you some money for the service.



Now lets compare this to the 5s block



Looks like a lot of drilling to me. I'll have to take a better look at it this weekend at my buddies house, since thats where my block is.

Greg, be ready for another 3 hours of drilling.

[bccentaur3]

Look what I picked up for $50.

I'll have to send this out to ATS. I hope its in rebuildable condition. Lots of shaft play, side to side and in and out.

[bccentaur3]

SO me and a few MN 6gc members met up at our buddies house.

I brought my 3rd gen head gasket along with me to see how much drilling I'll actually have to do.

This is how much I have to drill. Keep in mind I couldn't drill last night because there were too many drunk people around. Besides I didn't have the carbide burr with me. So I opted to drill out the oil pan bolts I broke into the bottom of the block from before. Used a left hand drill bit and it worked wonders. And we also tore into a built 7mgte motor that seized up.

The passages circled are the ones that need to be drilled to match.

This is from left to right.







And for sh!ts and giggles 3sgte rods compared to 5s rods.




I should have the coolant passages done soon. Just running short on money, so I won't have the block sent out to the machine shop till later. Maybe after spring break. I'm still waiting on my crank from MCS, but they emailed me and told me that its being balanced right now.

This post has been edited by bccentaur3: Mar 7, 2009 - 6:20 PM

[Smaay]

i love these comparison pics. here are the differences from the 1ZZ and 2ZZ rods. the one in the middle is a Crower Rod with wiseco piston

[bccentaur3]

You have got to be joking me.. The 1zz rods are that small? Thats just wrong man.

[Red_T_swiftcam]

This is gonna be really nice when it's all said and done. Those are some nice pics of the dinky 5s rods.
Wondering why you didn't go with shoot peen 3sgte rods from mcs there only 75$

[bccentaur3]

Shot peened rods for 75? 75 a piece right? Not the whole set, because used rods go for that much. Besides I don't plan to make too much power. My goal really is 400 to the wheels. Obviously not with the CT27 upgrade, but maybe next year. Who knows ill have to see what exactly I have to do to the stock head to achieve those goals.

[Red_T_swiftcam]

75$ for the set. Nick from mcs got them for me along with bearings, pistons, and crank.
Talk to Mcs again see what they say.

[Red_T_swiftcam]

75$ for the set. Nick from mcs got them for me along with bearings, pistons, and crank.
Talk to Mcs again see what they say.

[Dragondog]

where can i get some good pistons and rods and rings for 3rd gen 3sgte performance wise not stock

[bccentaur3]

Shop around. I believe the 3sgte guys like the wiseco pistons. You can get CP pistons for a good price.

[bccentaur3]

so thanks to 1bwilson, he told me to update this thread. Theres nothing to update, because FRICKIN MCS hasn't sent out my crank yet.

Its been over 2 months and nothing. I've emailed Shaun over and over and no replies. So I decided to email Sang Han back and he told me he spoke to Shaun and they are swamped with their local customers. But last time I spoke with Shaun he told me that the crank just got done being balanced and getting shipped out. STILL NOTHING..

Then again on the bright side, I have decided to go with a 1st gen 3sgte head. Since there is a local guy selling his all-trac for DIRT CHEAP. Because its junk.. But the motor and harness is salvageable. Now because people give me crap, I've done my homework and I WILL make power.

This is the plan pick up the 88 alltrac next friday. Take the motor and all of the AWD components for a later project . Take the head off and get it rebuilt.

The block I am just going to keep as a coffee table ha. And found a decent price on a 1st gen 3sge sidefeed intake manifold.

I will update with pics when I get the JUNKTRAC next weekend.

[Red_T_swiftcam]

Will i feel your pain. MCS is telling me the same thing its been two months for me now waiting for crank, rods, bearings and pistons. Nick was telling me that the Mech. is swamped with all customers local or not. Would be funny if i got all my stuff before you tho....jk

[bccentaur3]

Hey guys, update on the project.

A couple of weeks ago I found a local selling a junk st165. My initial plan was to buy the car and tow it back home. Because my only access to a truck to tow a car was my uncle and he bailed out on me that morning I had to opt for plan B.

So get this.. After looking at everything closely you CAN use a 5s headgasket on with the 1st gen 3sgte head, BUT you will have to modify the HG and drill one coolant hole.

BUT I do not intend on doing this, because I'd rather do it the hard way and drill my block for the coolant passages.

I will update with more pics of the differences on the blocks.

So the plan for now is this

1st gen 3sgte head

ATS 264 camshafts made for the 1st gen head
1st gen 3sge side feed intake manifold
delete tvis

I am in the process of making a jumper harness to run the 2nd gen 3sgte ECU, hopefully if I can find a 93 ecu, higher fuel cut.

I'm still waiting on MCS STILL!!!!!!!!!! They told me that if they don't ship it out by LAST week I should get a full refund. Haven't heard from them yet.

I have a spare crank, but it just seemed like a better idea to go with MCS since you'd think they know their stuff right?

I'll update with pics of the block differences and the head, since Sammie didn't take any pics of the head when I asked her to.

[bccentaur3]

Thanks to the help of fellow MN 6th geners Zgear (Ger) and Muggs (Greg, and the help of my old man, we got the motor out and loaded in the car in about 5 hours.

The next day I took the head off.

Oh and btw notice the front brakes off the trac? Yep they are fitted on Sammies ST hahaha. I'm still trying to see if I can fab up a bracket to use st185 rotors up front with the twin pot calipers.

[presure2]

good stuff will!

[bccentaur3]

Thanks Manny.