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post Dec 11, 2009 - 6:03 AM
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QUOTE (CAMAricer @ Dec 9, 2009 - 11:38 PM) *
3%? Geeze, can you even see out of that?

Here in CA, any tint is illegal so it absolutely drives me nuts to pull next to some guy with limo tint all around. Sometimes you really need to be able to make eye contact with the other driver just to make sure you are both on the same page (making a lane change, avoiding a road hazard, etc), and these idiots driving with the windows blacked out, seriously makes it harder for everyone else who's driving on the same roads. Not to mention it's AGAINST THE LAW part (again, in CA).



you cant have tint on the driver and passanger side front window. Your allowed to have tint in the back and front windscreen (based on a measurement you do from the back seat.)
post Dec 11, 2009 - 6:09 PM
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There are many causes for car accidents and I am fairly certain that presence of car tint was never a main cause.

Some of main reasons are: Distraction, driver fatigue, non driving activities (ie talking on phone or trying to put on makeup or shaving etc), weather/road conditions, medical or emotional impairment.

I drove with limo tint 2003-2006 and never once have I ever faced an issue of not being able to drive any less effectively or seen other drivers react to my driving any more differently.

You mentioned eye contact and bottom line is that if a driver spends more attention trying to find a face behind another car's glass then he or she is no longer paying attention to other things like speed of that other car or its blinkers or other cars for that matter. One might make a case for rubber necking drivers but those are very much the reason why accidents happen at high speeds. When you stop looking forward you are bound to either run in the back of someone or start swerving sideways because your hands no longer point your car forwards.

I think its a matter of preference really. Here in florida many many drivers have window tint but we are also called the sunshine state for a reason. In other states cops just need a reason to issue tickets... gotta pay their salary somehow. Inventing all kinds of silly laws means that you now created jobs for inventors of silly laws, their bosses, lawyers, judges, secretaries, cops, mechanics etc etc. Its all a part of the system.


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post Dec 12, 2009 - 1:32 AM
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Seriously, if you drive enough like me (>30,000 miles a year), you'll run into encounters where you have a few seconds (may 2 or 3) to avoid hitting something in the road (like an deer, fallen object, etc). At that exact moment, hell yes you need to know exactly what the driver next to you intends to do. Even if you can't see his eyes, if you can see him turn his head one way (let's say to check is side mirrors), that's all the info you'll need to make your decision. He turns his head left, then you go right. He eyes your lane, then you prepare to sudden break or check your right to see if you have space. Eye-to-eye may not be exactly what you need, but you need some indication from the other driver that he is also aware of the impending danger. If you look over, and can't see anything at all, you can't tell if he's going to swerve into your lane, the opposite lane, or stay his course.

I don't hunt down every driver's eyes when I drive. But let's say I'm trying to pass someone on the freeway (on either side). When I make my move, I need/want to be able to see the driver's head so if he decides to not check his mirrors and turn into the same lane I'm using to pass him, I can either jump into another lane (or shoulder) or use my brakes. It's very useful information to know if that driver has his eyes on the road or if he's distracted talking to a passenger, on his cell phone, or whatever. If he is distracted, then I would VERY CAREFULLY make the pass. If he's seems fully aware of me, then I make the pass normaly.

Honestly, you take the small stuff for granted like being able to see another driver's head/eyes,, (hands on the wheel) but it only takes that one instance where you almost get killed/injuried and you become fully aware why limo tint can be dangerous.



QUOTE (yarik83 @ Dec 11, 2009 - 6:09 PM) *
There are many causes for car accidents and I am fairly certain that presence of car tint was never a main cause.

Some of main reasons are: Distraction, driver fatigue, non driving activities (ie talking on phone or trying to put on makeup or shaving etc), weather/road conditions, medical or emotional impairment.

I drove with limo tint 2003-2006 and never once have I ever faced an issue of not being able to drive any less effectively or seen other drivers react to my driving any more differently.

You mentioned eye contact and bottom line is that if a driver spends more attention trying to find a face behind another car's glass then he or she is no longer paying attention to other things like speed of that other car or its blinkers or other cars for that matter. One might make a case for rubber necking drivers but those are very much the reason why accidents happen at high speeds. When you stop looking forward you are bound to either run in the back of someone or start swerving sideways because your hands no longer point your car forwards.

I think its a matter of preference really. Here in florida many many drivers have window tint but we are also called the sunshine state for a reason. In other states cops just need a reason to issue tickets... gotta pay their salary somehow. Inventing all kinds of silly laws means that you now created jobs for inventors of silly laws, their bosses, lawyers, judges, secretaries, cops, mechanics etc etc. Its all a part of the system.



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