How to install TRD quickshifter Options

[Batman722]

good job !
now pick up a new gator !

[Remy]

Rusty just did his recently and posted about it.

I'm envious of you guys quickshifters I just wonder how much quicker you could wear out your syncros with one of those.

Its all on how u shift and drive like I tell people manual transmissions is not for everybody.

"Anyone who says that a short shifter has caused excess wear on their gearbox needs to learn how to shift gears properly." -Quoted from the link

Busting the "shortshifters cause excess synchro wear" myth <<Clicky

Haha okay, The thing is when you select the gear (Especially in our cars) you bring the shifter up to the position of the gear and gently guide it in, you still have to wait a split sec for the syncro to spin up the gear before it accepts it happily, otherwise it crunches, This is regular street driving.

If you can crunch a gearbox regular shifter, then how is a shorter throw going to allow you to shift quicker without crunching the gearbox?

When you're on the track, you're going to want to shift as fast as possible which means either way waiting for the syncro or forcing it in, short shift or not?

Does this mean it's only for aesthetics and not entirely functional?

I only have that crunch problem when my tranny is cold but once its warmed up it shifts fast and smooth as butter but I've never driving a real st205 so I don't know how different the e154f (I think thats what the st205 tranny code is lol) is to the s54.

[Rusty]

I've never had any problems shifting (cold or warm), though my car as only done 70,000kms, which might have something to do with it

now pick up a new gator !

come again?

[Quidam]

good job !
now pick up a new gator !

Somehow I don't think you are talking about the sort of gator you find along the Nile River.. so you might need to clarify

Anyway, took her for a real spin to the Rimutaka Forest Park, which is basically just 1 long windy road, perfect for getting a good feel for the new shifter.

Verdict is I freaking love it. Not that I had a problem with the old shifter, but this was a great first upgrade. One of the things I really noticed was down-shifting is easier and feels a lot more natural. I also noticed slipping into 5 from 4 just feels so subtle, but at the same time so sure. Highly recommended!

[Batman722]

haha sorry, shift boot

[delusionz]

Rusty just did his recently and posted about it.

I'm envious of you guys quickshifters I just wonder how much quicker you could wear out your syncros with one of those.

Its all on how u shift and drive like I tell people manual transmissions is not for everybody.

"Anyone who says that a short shifter has caused excess wear on their gearbox needs to learn how to shift gears properly." -Quoted from the link

Busting the "shortshifters cause excess synchro wear" myth <<Clicky

Haha okay, The thing is when you select the gear (Especially in our cars) you bring the shifter up to the position of the gear and gently guide it in, you still have to wait a split sec for the syncro to spin up the gear before it accepts it happily, otherwise it crunches, This is regular street driving.

If you can crunch a gearbox regular shifter, then how is a shorter throw going to allow you to shift quicker without crunching the gearbox?

When you're on the track, you're going to want to shift as fast as possible which means either way waiting for the syncro or forcing it in, short shift or not?

Does this mean it's only for aesthetics and not entirely functional?

I only have that crunch problem when my tranny is cold but once its warmed up it shifts fast and smooth as butter but I've never driving a real st205 so I don't know how different the e154f (I think thats what the st205 tranny code is lol) is to the s54.

You can crunch any gear box by forcing the shifter in faster than the syncromesh can get the next gear up to speed, that's what i'm getting at.

I've had a mint 73,000km S54 in my old SS-III ST202 and yes, it is very easy, compared to my 150,000km E154F, but thats besides the point.

So what I'm wondering is how the short shifter makes a functional difference if you still wish to avoid crashing the next gear in. The only difference I can see is the travel across neutral, is that where it makes the shifts quicker? and not between the start of the gear selection to when its fully in place?

Just trying to understand...

[Culpable04]

the black lines represent the position of the shifter when shifting from gear A to B, the movement pivot from the same original point, but the shifter knob travel, thus creating an angle from A to B, with a regular shifter, in order to obtain such angle the distance is greater, than if the shifter was shorter, represented by the red lines, so even though you still have to wait for the synchros to come up to speed, it's still quicker in distance, so your hands have to travel less distance, also explains why short shifters are stiffer, because you have less leverage.

[Remy]

Black=Stock shifter travel------------------------------------------------------ Red=Short Shifter travel

The travel of the shifter is way shorten with the short shifter compared to the stock shifter, theirs a difference between forcing it into gear and shifting into gear. Even just granny/normal shifting u shift faster because the throws are shorten so less travel into gear = faster shifts. And yes if your using a short shifter and your forcing it into gear of course it will lessen the life of the tranny same with the stock shifter. But with the stock shifter your less likely to force it into gear because the travel is longer then the short shifter their for giving u more time to shift into gear and preventing any damage to your tranny with the stock shifter. But with the short shifter if u don't know how to properly shift into gear u can destroy your tranny faster so its all in the driver.

[Quidam]

the black lines represent the position of the shifter when shifting from gear A to B, the movement pivot from the same original point, but the shifter knob travel, thus creating an angle from A to B, with a regular shifter, in order to obtain such angle the distance is greater, than if the shifter was shorter, represented by the red lines, so even though you still have to wait for the synchros to come up to speed, it's still quicker in distance, so your hands have to travel less distance, also explains why short shifters are stiffer, because you have less leverage.

Agreed. The single advantage is less physical movement to each gear-shift: that is where the speed gains are made. Evrything else remains status quo. And I believe that is why you need to install the spacers, because the fulcrum (point at which the lever pivots) has changed. So you need more height to ensure the cables that connect to the shifter are still level with their original position.

ps. Batman, thanks fot the clarification actually the boot does look a bit old and worn out compared to the brand new knob -I might look into it

[Rusty]

yea agree, changing of the pivot point, (you shifts are quicker, but the gear selector's still move the same amount)

Love changing 4th to 5th, just so easy pops straight in.

quidam: I have a part number somewhere for that boot EDIT: 58808-20120-C0
delusionz: we recently bought a trd quickshift for the ep82, if you still want my spare trd gear knob its yours

This post has been edited by Rusty: Dec 29, 2009 - 1:14 AM