My 3rd Gen 3SGTE Swap Thread, It lives!!! Pg8 Options

[_Jim_]

Awesome Manny, I glad this engine went to a good home. Swap turned out great and I am looking forward to seeing it in person. Its not very often I get to sell someone an engine and see it swapped into there car....In fact only twice, you and Stevenson. GL with it man, keep up the good work.

[KAOS]

tranny painted:

Hey Manny; GREAT JOB on everything, I'm excited to do my swap now.

I vote for "Stickied".

What did you use to clean up and paint the tranny/bell housing?

[presure2]

thanks, man.
i used lots of degreaser, a few diffrent style brushes, lots of scrubbing, and a couple cans of brake cleaner to finish it off.

[KAOS]

thanks, man.
i used lots of degreaser, a few diffrent style brushes, lots of scrubbing, and a couple cans of brake cleaner to finish it off.

Any particular degreaser? I gotta be honest, I think we could eat offa that paint job... looks so clean.

[presure2]

thanks, man.
i used lots of degreaser, a few diffrent style brushes, lots of scrubbing, and a couple cans of brake cleaner to finish it off.

Any particular degreaser? I gotta be honest, I think we could eat offa that paint job... looks so clean.

LMAO!! It's funny you say that.
We talked about it after I painted it, and said, "it'll look great in pics, that's for sure. "
it's not nearly as clean in person.
Definetly looks alot better than before, that's for sure.
Lol
just any good automotive degreaser ect will do, Dustin bought over some commercial stuff for degreasing fryolators from his work actually.... Lol

[joehernandez]

WOOOOW
i checked your progress day by day!
and im happy it turned out excellent!!!!!!!!!
i also got an engine from jim,
and i will be using your thread to guide me on
my swap!
i am so excited to start my thread!!
congrats man!!!!!!!

[supershannon77]

Manny It looks awesome sitting in that bay!! Congrats on the build and I know you and Jenn will love driving it everyday!!!

[presure2]

thanks shannon!
it's been a week since we installed the motor jenn and i have been driving the car daily, and i've gotten a pretty good feel for the 3rd gen +S54 combo, so its time for a write up on my driving impressions so far.

first, you get in, get yourself comfortable, and turn the key. boom, instant start, oil pressure within a second or so.
exhaust note seems like its a bit quieter...why, i dont know, but i like it...lol
put it in gear, blip the throttle, and start giving her some clutch...it feels somehow "softer"...i can only discribe it as the motor feels "lighter"...easier and more willing to rev. it makes the stage 4 competition clutch (with fidanza LW flywheel, the same clutch i had in the 5sfte) feel a bit softer, and thats a good thing.

just driving around in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, it drives just like a stock car, smooth as silk, no hiccups or burps,nice and responsive, everything you would expect from an OEM setup.
IMO the daily driving, just cruising around town, normal part of driving is the biggest diffrence from the 5sfte. dont get me wrong, the 5sfte is great fun, and drives ok when tuned properly, but there are hiccups and burps that you kinda learn to drive around with, and after 5 years of doing just that, it feels really nice to just be able to drive it like a normal car.
the a/c also works perfectly with the 3rd gen, which is a nice bonus. in the last revision of the 5sfte, i removed all the a/c stuff to make the setup simpler, and with the baby, made it kinda suck to take the car out on hot summer days. thats now a thing of the past. i used the 3rd gen compressor, and condensor off the clip, and the stock GT lines. everything plugs in, and blows ice cold once its charged up.
part throttle cruising, and rolling into it, making a few lbs of boost and holding it there with the 3rd gen is buttery smooth, and FAST. its somthing i could never get right in the 5sfte, the car would just buck and spit if i tried to hold partial boost for anything more than a second or 2, which means anytime you wanna pass someone, or just speed up 15 or 20mph, you had to pretty much floor it.
now, you just roll into the throttle some, and just hold it there, anything above 2200rpm or so the boost just shoots right up and zips you right along, and its GREAT. response time is next to nothing with the W2A IC, the ceramic turbine is begging to spool to full boost at a moments notice.
merging into traffic, long sweepers, passing, all that stuff is SO much fun with this setup. not having to floor it all the time is actually a good thing! i love it!

once your ready to throw the hammer down, its go time.
the motor just SINGS. the exhaust note is more pronounced, more focused, more "performace" sounding, and the mix of the turbo screaming, exhaust howling, gears chruning, its just music to my ears. absolutely beautiful in every way. lol
throw it into 3rd and punch it, and even @ only 14psi, it throws you back in the seat, and holds you there. screaming up till redline, it just begs you to hold the go pedal to the floor and let it eat, which i do, often.
with the higher redline of the 3rd gen, 4th gear gets you right up to the speed limiter, pulling like a frieght train all the way (118mph) ...it is a nice improvment over the 5s, which would top out 4th right ~100mph.
and of course, 5th is more of the same. its just great in every way.
the 5sfte was torquier, especially at the onset of boost, but the drivability, overall performance, looks ect all add up to an unbeatable combo for the 3rd gen.

i was a little concerned before we swapped about the gearing of the S54 being too short for the 3rd gen, but it works out just fine for daily driving.
sure, 5th gear could be taller for those highway cruises, and at some point down the road i will swap out to the E153, but since i dont go to the track more than 1 or 2 times a year, it dont hurt anything other than my MPG by a few having the S54, so im happy with it for now, and it works just fine for what we do.
since its the first week of it being in the car, and the test runs we've been doing, i havent got an accurate mesurement of MPG yet, that will come down the road as the newness of the the setup wears off, and we're doing more consistant driving.

a few pics..still a few small details to button up, i need to reweld the intake to suit the 3s, a few new vac hoses, and some general cleaning.









this project is still far from over, lots more pics, vids, dynos, ect still to come!

[SwissFerdi]

^ You're an ass. Now I want one. That's definitely the most vivid description I've ever seen.

Congratulations...H.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Jun 20, 2010 - 10:09 AM

[lagos]

Sounds like youre in love with it!

I know exactly what you mean about the part throttle driving. Thats all in the tuning, and the 2nd gen setup suffers from a similar problem as the 5sfTe, where it just dumps too much fuel with the slightest throttle input and makes the car bog down and not spool up as easily as it should. A rom tune, running negative safc corrections, or swapping to the 3rd gen efi system goes a long way in fixing that on the 2nd gen.

[KAOS]

Wow - Manny.

I have to confess; I feel very dirty for reading that post of yours...

... kind of like locking myself in a room with a smut novel.

Thank you for the detailed POV - I can't wait to get my project under way.

Can you paint that wing of vincent_doggies already and get it mounted... I need to see it on your car!

[richee3]

Great description! Sounds beautifully smooth. The way you describe it, it makes me wonder why Toyota didn't just drop the 3S in every Celica. Glad you like it. That engine is so clean sitting in that bay.

[presure2]

^ You're an ass. Now I want one. That's definitely the most vivid description I've ever seen.

Congratulations...H.

lol

Sounds like youre in love with it!

I know exactly what you mean about the part throttle driving. Thats all in the tuning, and the 2nd gen setup suffers from a similar problem as the 5sfTe, where it just dumps too much fuel with the slightest throttle input and makes the car bog down and not spool up as easily as it should. A rom tune, running negative safc corrections, or swapping to the 3rd gen efi system goes a long way in fixing that on the 2nd gen.

yea, its a little diffrent with the 5s, its a hiccup caused by pulling fuel, and the ecu thinking your closing the throttle above 1500rpm, when your actually not, just at a very low throttle input, with high correction.
but yea, im definetly in love with the celica all over again!

Wow - Manny.

I have to confess; I feel very dirty for reading that post of yours...

... kind of like locking myself in a room with a smut novel.

Thank you for the detailed POV - I can't wait to get my project under way.

Can you paint that wing of vincent_doggies already and get it mounted... I need to see it on your car!

lol thanks. hopfully in the next weekend or 2 ill get the wing painted and mounted.

Great description! Sounds beautifully smooth. The way you describe it, it makes me wonder why Toyota didn't just drop the 3S in every Celica. Glad you like it. That engine is so clean sitting in that bay.

yea, it definetly feels like this should have come this way from the factory.
IMO it should have went:
base model = 3SGE (Beams),FWD
GT = 3SGTE, FWD
GT-FOUR = 3SGTE, AWD

[richee3]

^^ Funny, I've said the same thing before about the BEAMS being the base model and SOMEONE :cough: Ferdi :cough: argued with me. Seriously though, this is probably the best thread I've seen in a long time. It's always good to read your reviews of the engines. The 5S-FTE, Steff's BEAMS, and now your 3S-GTE. Let's kick James May off Top Gear and get Manny on there.

[Ted95]

IMO it should have went:
base model = 3SGE (Beams),FWD
GT = 3SGTE, FWD
GT-FOUR = 3SGTE, AWD

agreed!

[SwissFerdi]

I don't remember arguing with you. BUT, I will say...I think the base engine should have been the 3S-GE, with the BEAMS as an option (3S-GE for ST, BEAMS for GT?). OR, alternatively, the 7A-FE should have been engineered to be a 1.8T from the factory, I would've been very much alright with that.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Jun 20, 2010 - 1:38 PM

[Johnnyny]

manny is dat the hks bov I thought you were keeping the blitz dat came with it ?

[OOBE]

Manny, you're more awesome than a turtle with air brakes and a wheelie bar. I LOVE detailed posts like that. Sucks that most people here are so vague and lazy and they don't take the time to write posts in a colorful way.

Oh, and MORE VIDS!

[presure2]

manny is dat the hks bov I thought you were keeping the blitz dat came with it ?

i sold the blitz BOV, like i said i was going to, and kept the HKS, like i said i was going to. lol

thanks all.

[Johnnyny]

manny is dat the hks bov I thought you were keeping the blitz dat came with it ?

i sold the blitz BOV, like i said i was going to, and kept the HKS, like i said i was going to. lol

thanks all.

guess i missed that one lol