6th Gen Celica Rally Car AWD Build, Rebuilding after the roll..... Options

[ricochet1490]

Beams still has no torque down low. Don't really want a turbo engine yet we'll see what happens.

Stroker?

Great idea. 5s, stroked out with ge head for better flow and cams?

[qatar11]

Steve,

I am guessing adding the turbo will bump you into a different class not to mention all the baggage that comes with a turbo (heat, lag, premium fuel, etc)... I am guessing.. and this is just my ****ty opinion, you can probably eek way more time out of the driver than adding some low end torque... Keep at it and MOAR RALLY SCHOOL!!!1111!1!

Conversely, its time to put your big boy pants on:

JUN Stroker Kit

This post has been edited by qatar11: Jun 5, 2013 - 9:36 PM

[czwalga]

Haha, none of you guys would like this answer, but i'd build a 2.5rs before I put that much into the engine. Parts are readily available, gear sets, cams, for cheap; and it has more head room which I would like.

[Keiri]

Haha, none of you guys would like this answer, but i'd build a 2.5rs before I put that much into the engine. Parts are readily available, gear sets, cams, for cheap; and it has more head room which I would like.

That's a smart answer in my opinion - the 2.5rs would be a better supported platform when it comes to parts and general overall performance.

Either way, watching the video our driving was entertaining and really makes me want to get into rally racing at some point.

[czwalga]

So, doing some stuff on the RX7, rewiring it and just doing some things a little better this time around that I didn't do right the first time. Putting it up for sale soon, if anyone has 30k burning a hole in their pocket. Snapped a pic. Also some from the last race.










This post has been edited by czwalga: Jun 16, 2013 - 4:07 PM

[ricochet1490]

Where was that rally ^

[czwalga]

Susquehanna trail performance rally. (STPR)


In wellsboro PA.

[ricochet1490]

Are you going to the snowshoe rally?

[czwalga]

Are you going to the snowshoe rally?

I will be.


Not nearly as much hoopla but still should be a lot of fun.... provided I dont roll it their like I did last year.

http://rallywv.com/

[SupraKid]

Wants more torque, gets a boxer.. Glad to see this car still going strong!

This post has been edited by SupraKid: Jun 21, 2013 - 2:42 PM

[richee3]

How long does a set of tires last on this car?

[czwalga]

How long does a set of tires last on this car?

For me, hards maybe 3 rallys. Mediums maybe 2. And thats stretching it longer than I probably should. Most guys probably go through a set per longer rally. I'm cheap.



The top end of the field, go through an entire set per service. So basically 30-60 miles, then swap tires. There tires are shredding in that timeframe. You can see how deep the thread is, new they are probably at least double the thickness of stock street tires.





The second pic in the first pic, i'd consider done, or at least close.


These are just trashed.


This post has been edited by czwalga: Jun 25, 2013 - 9:53 AM

[mkernz22]

Back to the whole engine thing, did you ever look into 2mz-fe's? I just found out about them today because I need to source the intake cams since they fit in the 1mz-fe since they are pretty aggressive.

The 2mz-fe is a 2.5L engine that puts out about 200hp @6000 and 180ft-lbs @4600. Just something to look into if you want to go with a V6.


You said this way back when:
I havent had enough time to search, but yes a small v6 would be great.

V6 under 2.65 liters might be tough though.

"Open Light Class: Vehicles must be AWD, normally-aspirated and
derived from models sold globally in minimum quantities of 1000.
The maximum displacement is 2650cc for overhead cam engines
and 3313cc for pushrod engines."


This post has been edited by mkernz22: Jun 28, 2013 - 12:55 AM

[czwalga]

Had me intrigued for a second, but 3 cylinders exit pretty much right where the AWD center diff sets. Not saying its impossible but would most likely a custom exhaust and modifying the firewall.


Not in very many cars either, cheapy on ebay right now but would be worried if I needed to source one in a pinch.

This post has been edited by czwalga: Jun 28, 2013 - 6:34 PM

[kurt95gt]

The trans issue isn't hard to fix
Seen it done in an alltrac with a awd 5speed rav4 trans
The transfer case is alil more compact so it all fits
The only difference is the gearing in the trans is lower but the final drive gear is same as gt4

[mkernz22]

Had me intrigued for a second, but 3 cylinders exit pretty much right where the AWD center diff sets. Not saying its impossible but would most likely a custom exhaust and modifying the firewall.


Not in very many cars either, cheapy on ebay right now but would be worried if I needed to source one in a pinch.

Yeah, the exhaust is the only thing that's go me a little worried with this build.....which is going to be a long time in the making anyway. I also noticed that the 1mz block doesn't need to be trimmed down for the gt4 transmission to fit. It doesn't have anything sticking out where the transfer case would be, on the transmission, like the 5s does. I'm picking up an AWD transmission next week and hopefully I'll have the block stripped by the end of next week so I'll be able to confirm whether it does or not.

[czwalga]

The trans issue isn't hard to fix
Seen it done in an alltrac with a awd 5speed rav4 trans
The transfer case is alil more compact so it all fits
The only difference is the gearing in the trans is lower but the final drive gear is same as gt4

I can tell you that unless that rav 4 transmission, looks like a FWD tranny, there's no room to bring the exhaust down without some crazy design. The steering rack and center diff block everything back there.



The gearing in the GT4 sucks anyways though, I'd trade my spare GT4 transmission for a rav 4 one in a heart beat.

[travisxcore]

Considering the first gen RAV 4 had a 3S-FE/3S-GE and a BEAMs in Japan, I'd assume that it would look a lot like ours. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if it was an E15xF trans. Haha.

[czwalga]

Considering the first gen RAV 4 had a 3S-FE/3S-GE and a BEAMs in Japan, I'd assume that it would look a lot like ours. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if it was an E15xF trans. Haha.

Right, which those engines have 4 cylinder front port exhaust exit. The v6 has 3 cylinders exit in the rear.

[travisxcore]

Oh lol, I forgot we were talking about using the 2mz and was just thinking about the Rav4 trans working.

Alright so heres what I came up with in the past 10 minutes of research haha.

So someone is mating a EA61 trans to a 2MZ but...its a lot of custom fab and hes still not done yet. That and the EA61 is FWD. Although they do make a EA6XF for the RAV4s (3rd gen) that mounts up to the 2GRs. So that might be a possibility. On the plus side its a TINY trans. But the gear ratios are wack.

Links-

EAXX Info
EA61 + 2MZ

So yea I'd say all that's a no go. Too much work to have an awd 2mz. Just go find a wrecked 2GR AWD RAV4 and swap the motor and trans in

This post has been edited by travisxcore: Jun 30, 2013 - 6:32 PM