Fwd 3rd gen 3sgte swaps, 0-100km/h, 400m, 1600m time ? Options

[mkernz22]

... But that's 3sgTe, I know the non-turbo'd edition has weaker internals.

Of course it has. That's why nobody is making any turbo kit for the 3sge, with or without the vvti. The engine is already pushed to its limit by Yamaha. The regular NA 2 liter engines produce about 120-150 hp, while the 3sge already produces 175 hp without any variable valve timing etc. They know that an engine that's already pushed to its limits can't be pushed too far without serious enhancements.

My dilemma is why nobody does forged internals for the 3sge, in order to make it "accept" turbo... It shouldn't be such a big deal

The reason no one does is because there is already a 3sgte out there. Why make parts to build the 3sge when you have a better platform by using the 3sgte

[3WayStunna]

Well to agree with Quick_shifter, some of use would/could find a use out of 3sge blocks. They are easier to find in many cases, and they are nearly indentical to the 3sgte block. Perfect for a rebuild option.

But i see what you mean MKernz, in that why pay 800-2000 for a 3sgte that can accept lower compression, forged internals for a turbo build, and then have to worry about all the other nessicites that you would need, when you could start off with a 3sgte and just go from there....

Then again, im not choosing sides just trying to see everyone's point of veiw...honestly where i stand right now, it is just a case by case basis...depends on what you can do and what price you are willing to pay!!

[quick_5hifter]

Well, I would rather buy a turbo kit for my 3sge, instead of buying a 3sgte engine, for the following reasons:
1)A 3sgte engine shipped from the States to Europe would cost me about $3500 to $5000, depending if it's an engine clip or just an engine. A bolt-on turbo kit with all the accessories would probably cost me around $2000, because it's base price is lower and shiping is also cheaper because of the weight.
2)3sgte engines aren't so easy to find, plus they weren't manufactured in a big number, so they'll soon dissappear from the market or their price will go higher. In case i'll destroy my engine somehow, I'd rather be looking for another 3sge than a 3sgte; right now, as I'm typing this, I can think of 3 3sge engines for sale just in Romania, and I know all of those 3 sellers; and that's not all: if I check the local market right now, there are probably 15-20 6gc's equipped with a 3sge engine, for the price of 2000-3000 $. On the other hand, THERE IS NO ST205 IN ROMANIA and, of course, no 3sge Beams.
3)The local authorities here make it very difficult to change your engine with a more powerful one, even if it would bolt right up to your chassis and stuff. If I change my engine entirely to a 3sgte, I have to have my car checked for road safety, and that test is very expensive and hard to pass. They would never accept a FWD 3sgte, simply because it was never installed on a Celica (I mean the fwd version).

Probably there aren't very many guys in the same situation as me, but I bet there are a few, mostly in Europe. If you search all the european ebay's, you won't find more than 3 or 4 3sgte engines for sale and it's very expensive for us to order it in the States. Also, the 3sge-3sgte swap is illegal in many european states.

Other than that, I agree: it's a lot easier and safer to install a 3sgte than convert a 3sge from n/a to turbo.

[richee3]

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but wouldn't 3S-GTE internals fit the 3S-GE? It doesn't seem like parts should be that hard to find for it if you changed what you were looking for. There are probably plenty of parts for the 3S-GTE that will fit the 3S-GE.

[cjh4l22]

SO I'm not sure if I saw it in all that but did we come up with a approximate 0-60 time for a stock 3s (w/e153) swap? just curious. I would try it myself but I am still following the proper rules of "breaking-in" a newly BUILT motor. (hate on, I'm following them.)

[diegohiga]

No exact numbers on this yet?

[delusionz]

heres the final word.

FWD3SGTE will never touch a GT4 in 1st and 2nd gear. period. GT4 doesn't even need to make half its capable boost to pull away from 1st or 2nd.

assuming both have identical engines, the FWD3SGTE will start reeling in the GT4 in 3rd gear, by the end of 3rd, both cars will cross the 400m line in the same time - high 12 - low 13

if this were a race on the highway where both cars dropped down to 3rd gear, the FWD3SGTE would definitely pull away as the GT4 would run out of puff trying to break through the wind at high speeds.

NOW..... when tuning comes into play.

FWD3SGTE has already used its entire capacity for transfering power to the ground, 3rd gear will spin, even 4th will chirp.

the GT4 still has twice the available traction, and will happily accept a further 100% power increase, maybe 1st will spin from 0-40km/h, but then 3rd and 4th gear will break through the wind and **** all over the FWD3SGTE which has probably already spun out (high speed, high power, low traction)