ct26 turbine wheels, JDM ceramic versus USDM steel, differences? Are they noticeable or negligible? Options

[brenton1919]

Sure you don't want to part with that 20b brother? If it's in good condition I promise a fair price and honestly just want my car running again. This is my daily.

sell it to him bro let him roll with us caldina boy's he wont have the engine like us but at least he will be rolling with the turbo

[easternpiro1]

lol let me get her up and runnin, and rolling for a bit to be sure the one i got is good. i also have to rummage to find it!

[delusionz]

I don't know, Someone will try and correct me here but I was running 17psi on the ct26/t04e and it was like the ct20b at 14psi in the top end, it was like not having a turbo at all in the low end.

It barely felt like I had 230hp at the engine

THE CT27 isn't the ct26 u keep saying ct26 the one thing the ct27 has is the ct26 hosing that its when your celica can beat one of atsracing mr2 u can talk all the crap in the world about a ct27 but i dont think that will ever happen i dont even think they have a mr2 up there runnin anything under 450 rwhp go check out these links on youtube this is matt's car from atsracing http://youtu.be/0Imf2NiB1xI.........and thats why u blow up turbos not because there crap because the ct26 is a good turbo but because u ride around on 17psi u are killing that turbo it is a stock turbo not after market it wasn't made to be beat up like that and if your car was stock with no upgrades you are making the turbo do all of the work

when you own a gt4 or a 3s-gte car with the weight of a gt4 you'll reconsider the ct26. ct26 only feels good to you because even 200hp in a fwd na celica makes it go fast.

the ct26 blew its oil seals long before i boosted it to 17. 17psi is fine on a t04e rebuild, thats how the ats turbo makes its power you think they mess around with stock boost? they wont barely see 190hp at the wheels buddy let alone 450 or whatever you claim.

the ct20b ceramic turbine shattered at stock boost - 13psi.

i already posted what i know, 53mm t04e wheel is the biggest u should get in a ct26, even look on the ATS website they say the same thing themselves, their CT27 is exactly the same as the turbo I had, unless they also do something with the exhaust wheel but as i already pointed out, the ct26 exhaust wheel is 2mm oversized as it is, they cant go with a smaller wheel they can only replace it with a steel wheel which provides better durability, mine remained ceramic.

[Culpable04]

ceramic wheel makes for a faster spool, but is weaker and will break easier when pushing the turbo close to its limits, that's why people pay extra cash for WRC ct20b turbos, they have steel wheel.

I have a spare WRC CT20b turbo but it needs new seals, once I rebuuild it I will sell the turbo I currenty run on the car ( ct20b non wrc ) but I'm in no rush as I'm focusing on toher things on the car, if not that turbo would be yours art.

[brenton1919]

I don't know, Someone will try and correct me here but I was running 17psi on the ct26/t04e and it was like the ct20b at 14psi in the top end, it was like not having a turbo at all in the low end.

It barely felt like I had 230hp at the engine

THE CT27 isn't the ct26 u keep saying ct26 the one thing the ct27 has is the ct26 hosing that its when your celica can beat one of atsracing mr2 u can talk all the crap in the world about a ct27 but i dont think that will ever happen i dont even think they have a mr2 up there runnin anything under 450 rwhp go check out these links on youtube this is matt's car from atsracing http://youtu.be/0Imf2NiB1xI.........and thats why u blow up turbos not because there crap because the ct26 is a good turbo but because u ride around on 17psi u are killing that turbo it is a stock turbo not after market it wasn't made to be beat up like that and if your car was stock with no upgrades you are making the turbo do all of the work

when you own a gt4 or a 3s-gte car with the weight of a gt4 you'll reconsider the ct26. ct26 only feels good to you because even 200hp in a fwd na celica makes it go fast.

the ct26 blew its oil seals long before i boosted it to 17. 17psi is fine on a t04e rebuild, thats how the ats turbo makes its power you think they mess around with stock boost? they wont barely see 190hp at the wheels buddy let alone 450 or whatever you claim.

the ct20b ceramic turbine shattered at stock boost - 13psi.

i already posted what i know, 53mm t04e wheel is the biggest u should get in a ct26, even look on the ATS website they say the same thing themselves, their CT27 is exactly the same as the turbo I had, unless they also do something with the exhaust wheel but as i already pointed out, the ct26 exhaust wheel is 2mm oversized as it is, they cant go with a smaller wheel they can only replace it with a steel wheel which provides better durability, mine remained ceramic.

dude u have no idea what you are talkin about they dont just switch out parts they redo the whole turbo what part dont u understand they dont use nothin from the ct26 but the hosing the ct20b and the ct27 are all most the the same the ct27 hp is maxed out stock with no upgraded wasted gate at 350hp thats just bolting it on to your stock set up with no up graded internals and a stock wasted gate now think if u have a 50mm wasted gate upgrade the internals the down pipe has nothin to do with nothing but use a brek down pipe upgrade your injectors u will see 700hp i dont know how yall do it over there but we dont just ride turbos we redo the whole engine like i said u are making the turbo do all the work if u have stock internals and I DONT HAVE A CT26 i have a CT20B caldina 3sgte st215 the whole engine not just the turbo around here we pay to play ill go to ats right now and buy one of there 2.2 stroker kits and it will be faster than your gt4 i go to ats alot i know what there cars can do ive seen them in person and if that turbo sucks so much i guess not bad because they have cars out the zoo sittin out there shop they couldn't even get me in last week to do my exhaust oh and by the way they use a 46 trim wheel not a 50 whatever u keep tryin to say OH and the ct20b shattered at 13 psi thats bull crap because my ct20b is runnin 15 psi all day and i have someone on here that can back me up with that....ask easternpiro1 hes runnin the same engine i am


This post has been edited by brenton1919: May 4, 2011 - 3:32 PM

[delusionz]

I don't know, Someone will try and correct me here but I was running 17psi on the ct26/t04e and it was like the ct20b at 14psi in the top end, it was like not having a turbo at all in the low end.

It barely felt like I had 230hp at the engine

THE CT27 isn't the ct26 u keep saying ct26 the one thing the ct27 has is the ct26 hosing that its when your celica can beat one of atsracing mr2 u can talk all the crap in the world about a ct27 but i dont think that will ever happen i dont even think they have a mr2 up there runnin anything under 450 rwhp go check out these links on youtube this is matt's car from atsracing http://youtu.be/0Imf2NiB1xI.........and thats why u blow up turbos not because there crap because the ct26 is a good turbo but because u ride around on 17psi u are killing that turbo it is a stock turbo not after market it wasn't made to be beat up like that and if your car was stock with no upgrades you are making the turbo do all of the work

when you own a gt4 or a 3s-gte car with the weight of a gt4 you'll reconsider the ct26. ct26 only feels good to you because even 200hp in a fwd na celica makes it go fast.

the ct26 blew its oil seals long before i boosted it to 17. 17psi is fine on a t04e rebuild, thats how the ats turbo makes its power you think they mess around with stock boost? they wont barely see 190hp at the wheels buddy let alone 450 or whatever you claim.

the ct20b ceramic turbine shattered at stock boost - 13psi.

i already posted what i know, 53mm t04e wheel is the biggest u should get in a ct26, even look on the ATS website they say the same thing themselves, their CT27 is exactly the same as the turbo I had, unless they also do something with the exhaust wheel but as i already pointed out, the ct26 exhaust wheel is 2mm oversized as it is, they cant go with a smaller wheel they can only replace it with a steel wheel which provides better durability, mine remained ceramic.

dude u have no idea what you are talkin about they dont just switch out parts they redo the whole turbo what part dont u understand they dont use nothin from the ct26 but the hosing the ct20b and the ct27 are all most the the same the ct27 hp is maxed out stock with no upgraded wasted gate at 350hp thats just bolting it on to your stock set up with no up graded internals and a stock wasted gate now think if u have a 50mm wasted gate upgrade the internals the down pipe has nothin to do with nothing but use a brek down pipe upgrade your injectors u will see 700hp i dont know how yall do it over there but we dont just ride turbos we redo the whole engine like i said u are making the turbo do all the work if u have stock internals and I DONT HAVE A CT26 i have a CT20B caldina 3sgte st215 the whole engine not just the turbo around here we pay to play ill go to ats right now and buy one of there 2.2 stroker kits and it will be faster than your gt4 i go to ats alot i know what there cars can do ive seen them in person and if that turbo sucks so much i guess not bad because they have cars out the zoo sittin out there shop they couldn't even get me in last week to do my exhaust oh and by the way they use a 46 trim wheel not a 50 whatever u keep tryin to say OH and the ct20b shattered at 13 psi thats bull crap because my ct20b is runnin 15 psi all day and i have someone on here that can back me up with that....ask easternpiro1 hes runnin the same engine i am

what are you on about?

yes the t04e wheel comes with 2 options a 46 trim and a 50 trim, 50 trim is the one i had, it's 46mm inducer, the compressor housing is machined to accept the larger wheel. the stock ct26 compressor wheel only has a 42mm inducer. for comparison the stock ct20b has a 48mm inducer, so both the 46 and the 50 trim upgrades flow less than a ct20b.

sound like you need to go here and learn what trim and inducer and exducer means before you run your mouth.

as taken from atsracing.net

Finally a 300rwhp CT26 upgrade. So different from other CT26 upgrades we had to call it the CT27. ATS Racing machines not only the compressor side of the turbocharger to fit a T04E compressor wheel, but also performs CNC operations on the exhaust housing that are dyno proven to increase flow.

I wasn't aware of of any machining to the exhaust side, but the turbine wheel has a 52mm exducer, it's already oversized, it's only 50mm in the ct20b.

and you make no sense about flowing 350hp into stock pistons and fuel, as for one even the upgraded t04e wheel is slightly smaller than the standard ct20b compressor, so it's flowing less air at the same boost, and two didn't you know the st205 has 540cc injectors and is mapped to 18psi? ofcourse you didn't.

and yeah the turbo does do most all of the work on a low compression turbo engine, go take your turbo off and go for a drive and you'll see.

also your logic fails, you have a st215 swap and run 15psi and haven't had a problem yet, i have a genuine st205 and somehow your swapped celica has something to do with the condition of my former oem turbo?

This post has been edited by delusionz: May 4, 2011 - 5:42 PM

[delusionz]

berk pipe and injectors 700hp are you kidding?

No CT will ever flow more enough for over 400hp.

400hp in itself would be on a tip top condition engine, with way over 20psi with a better anti knock fuel than pump gas (ie race gas, pure ethanol, or pump gas with water/meth injection) and even then 400hp would be a miracle, over 20psi would put any CT out of it's efficiency range.

[Darkchylde]

Alright fellas, play nice. I know everyone has their preference. From the way things are sounding I will be trying to get a Ct 20b. Both of you are essentially telling me to do the same just from different sides of the fence. Thank you all for your time and consideration on this subject. I will be posting a WTB in the Buying and Selling forums, I'll keep you all posted.

[easternpiro1]

i like this darkchylde guy classy guy.

and delusionz is right brenton, a CT20B will not make 700 with fuel and a berk pipe. its too small. needs MOAR air. HOWEVER you can get to 330ish on the ct20b with good fuel and a tune. just be careful. if you plan on boosting the fire out of your ct20b, get some water meth to be safe!


cheers! good discussion!

[brenton1919]

i have unhooked my turbo off of my engine and kept up with a 08 350z ........................dyno from atsracing on a stock block with 22PSI 22PSI 22PSI

ATS CT27 250-370 horsepower ON A STOCK BOLT ON SET UP ON BOLT ON SET UP ON A STOCK BOLT ON SET UP JDM STOCK LONG BLOCK SET UP STOCK STOCK DO U KNOW WHAT THE WORD STOCK MEANS


Mods on test car: JDM stock long block, Greddy Intercooler, KO 3" TKO exhaust, ATS Tuned Rom set for 550cc injectors, 550cc injectors, Walbro Fuel Pump, K&N style intake.........22 PSI.................................like i said if u can READ a built motor! with piston injectors cams 3" berk down pipe will get u over 500hp i dont think u have even seen a car with 300hp ............ATS CT27 BLOT ON KIT do u know what BLOT ON MEANS! ....3" exhaust, downpipe, aftermarket intake, and boost controller are highly recommended. Dyno results range from 300 flywheel horsepower at 16psi with primary catalytic converter in place to 330 horsepower at 17psi with 3" downpipe. Choose the dual map option (+$50) to run race gas and up to 19psi and 350 horsepower<===ct27 on a bolt kit...............have u ever built a engine when u upgrade stuff it tends idk to want to go faster wen your engine does more work than the turbo WHEN YOU HAVE A BUILT ENGINE the freaking size of the turbine doesn't matter if u didn't know all a turbo does is blow air in the engine u can blow all the air in the engine u want but if u dont have good internals upgraded INJECTORS your not going anywhere but boom the more psi is just how much air is in your engine and how fast its going threw i have cars that will put your little gt4 to shame non turbo itsnt that funny.. a ct27 turbo runs stock boost a 10 psi and to add on top of all this my friend has a ats ct27 turbo on his 3sgte pushing 400+ at 23 psi im not just runnin my mouth ive seen the turbo work in real life real time ive been to ats ive seen this turbo more times than any of u guys andu keep sayin trim trim trim trim dude ontill you are running 800hp and have a huge t4 turbo a 50 trim really doesn't matter u want a smaller trim for better spool time and less lag low compression high compression it dont matter u can make both of them go fast with out a turbo so since u have no idea what a engine does lets break down the 3sgte reallllyy reallly fast and see how it would run without a turbo ohhh wait they made a engine just like it what is it called hmmmm letttt me think a beamsssss 3sge ohhhh yeahhh that engine wow its a high compression engine yesss guess why because it doesn't have a turbo on it so i wonder how fast a 3sgte will be without a turbo on it hmm oh wait i know this one because ive done it before as fast as a beams that little turbo u have on your car guess what it only adds about 70hp maybe 60hp haha what did u really think a stock turbo ct20b ct26 adds a 150hp yeah never hmm where does all the power come from hmm i dont know maybe the engine ive never heard someone say a stock turbo puts out more horse power than the engine ITS STOCK! the turbo just helps the engine go faster thats why when u want to go faster what do u do u upgrade your internals thennnnn u up grade your turbo so it can keep up with the new horse power u just added to your engine its ohh wait lets upgrade the turbo then the engine haha u wont have a engine to upgrade because WHY! its going to go booom so if u can understand what im saying you can make your engine go faster without upgrading the turbo the turbo in this case is the help thats all im sure u can build the 3sgte engine to 500hp without a turbo easy then put a turbo on to get u up in the 700's maybe low 800s...and therefore i know u dont know what u are talking about because u said u cant take the ct20b pass 13psi when me and easternpiro are both runnin are ct20b on 15psi and he plans on taking his up past 15psi

i like this darkchylde guy classy guy.

and delusionz is right brenton, a CT20B will not make 700 with fuel and a berk pipe. its too small. needs MOAR air. HOWEVER you can get to 330ish on the ct20b with good fuel and a tune. just be careful. if you plan on boosting the fire out of your ct20b, get some water meth to be safe!


cheers! good discussion!

no he didn't read it right i said a built engine but i have heard the ct20b with some extra help can get u over 400+

This post has been edited by brenton1919: May 4, 2011 - 10:53 PM

[Darkchylde]

'preciate it 'piro. If you come to a decision on that spare you have, hit me up. I understand your want/concern for keeping a spare, or just checking to make sure your current setup is solid.

By the way I am trying to get this and a few other niceties done by June 10th for the Colt State Park meet, so if anyone reading this has the aforementioned turbo and coinciding injectors please hit me up. Thanks again guys and gals.

This post has been edited by Darkchylde: May 4, 2011 - 10:38 PM

[brenton1919]

Alright fellas, play nice. I know everyone has their preference. From the way things are sounding I will be trying to get a Ct 20b. Both of you are essentially telling me to do the same just from different sides of the fence. Thank you all for your time and consideration on this subject. I will be posting a WTB in the Buying and Selling forums, I'll keep you all posted.

theres a ct20b on ebay for 600 i think might want to check that out

[Darkchylde]

thanks brenton, Turbo found!!!!! jump for joy hey do you know if these are the right injectors for this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...r%3Dy%26fvi%3D1

This post has been edited by Darkchylde: May 5, 2011 - 12:54 AM

[Darkchylde]

Well, found the turbo, and the injectors both should be here by Monday. Now for the Uego w/ IPhone capabilities and an EGT sensor. Time to message partz.net for gaskets and such. Thanks for the info and watchful eyes gentlemen, by the by if you own a 3sgte the guys over on mr2oc have a buttload of parts. I should have looked there first there are at least two ct 20b's and a few sets of injectors to say the least. Don't get me wrong I love 6gc and the community you guys are the greatest just sayin they gots maaaaaad parts Yo!

[lagos]

i have unhooked my turbo off of my engine and kept up with a 08 350z ........................dyno from atsracing on a stock block with 22PSI 22PSI 22PSI

ATS CT27 250-370 horsepower ON A STOCK BOLT ON SET UP ON BOLT ON SET UP ON A STOCK BOLT ON SET UP JDM STOCK LONG BLOCK SET UP STOCK STOCK DO U KNOW WHAT THE WORD STOCK MEANS


Mods on test car: JDM stock long block, Greddy Intercooler, KO 3" TKO exhaust, ATS Tuned Rom set for 550cc injectors, 550cc injectors, Walbro Fuel Pump, K&N style intake.........22 PSI.................................like i said if u can READ a built motor! with piston injectors cams 3" berk down pipe will get u over 500hp i dont think u have even seen a car with 300hp ............ATS CT27 BLOT ON KIT do u know what BLOT ON MEANS! ....3" exhaust, downpipe, aftermarket intake, and boost controller are highly recommended. Dyno results range from 300 flywheel horsepower at 16psi with primary catalytic converter in place to 330 horsepower at 17psi with 3" downpipe. Choose the dual map option (+$50) to run race gas and up to 19psi and 350 horsepower<===ct27 on a bolt kit...............have u ever built a engine when u upgrade stuff it tends idk to want to go faster wen your engine does more work than the turbo WHEN YOU HAVE A BUILT ENGINE the freaking size of the turbine doesn't matter if u didn't know all a turbo does is blow air in the engine u can blow all the air in the engine u want but if u dont have good internals upgraded INJECTORS your not going anywhere but boom the more psi is just how much air is in your engine and how fast its going threw i have cars that will put your little gt4 to shame non turbo itsnt that funny.. a ct27 turbo runs stock boost a 10 psi and to add on top of all this my friend has a ats ct27 turbo on his 3sgte pushing 400+ at 23 psi im not just runnin my mouth ive seen the turbo work in real life real time ive been to ats ive seen this turbo more times than any of u guys andu keep sayin trim trim trim trim dude ontill you are running 800hp and have a huge t4 turbo a 50 trim really doesn't matter u want a smaller trim for better spool time and less lag low compression high compression it dont matter u can make both of them go fast with out a turbo so since u have no idea what a engine does lets break down the 3sgte reallllyy reallly fast and see how it would run without a turbo ohhh wait they made a engine just like it what is it called hmmmm letttt me think a beamsssss 3sge ohhhh yeahhh that engine wow its a high compression engine yesss guess why because it doesn't have a turbo on it so i wonder how fast a 3sgte will be without a turbo on it hmm oh wait i know this one because ive done it before as fast as a beams that little turbo u have on your car guess what it only adds about 70hp maybe 60hp haha what did u really think a stock turbo ct20b ct26 adds a 150hp yeah never hmm where does all the power come from hmm i dont know maybe the engine ive never heard someone say a stock turbo puts out more horse power than the engine ITS STOCK! the turbo just helps the engine go faster thats why when u want to go faster what do u do u upgrade your internals thennnnn u up grade your turbo so it can keep up with the new horse power u just added to your engine its ohh wait lets upgrade the turbo then the engine haha u wont have a engine to upgrade because WHY! its going to go booom so if u can understand what im saying you can make your engine go faster without upgrading the turbo the turbo in this case is the help thats all im sure u can build the 3sgte engine to 500hp without a turbo easy then put a turbo on to get u up in the 700's maybe low 800s...and therefore i know u dont know what u are talking about because u said u cant take the ct20b pass 13psi when me and easternpiro are both runnin are ct20b on 15psi and he plans on taking his up past 15psi

If you're going to argue with people over the internet, then at least learn to use a period and a comma. Why? Because no one here can understand a single thing you just typed.

[brenton1919]

lmfao i didn't know i had a high school english teacher on here

Well, found the turbo, and the injectors both should be here by Monday. Now for the Uego w/ IPhone capabilities and an EGT sensor. Time to message partz.net for gaskets and such. Thanks for the info and watchful eyes gentlemen, by the by if you own a 3sgte the guys over on mr2oc have a buttload of parts. I should have looked there first there are at least two ct 20b's and a few sets of injectors to say the least. Don't get me wrong I love 6gc and the community you guys are the greatest just sayin they gots maaaaaad parts Yo!

haha yeah that why i go to ats to find all the parts i need..........and did u find out if the gen 2 has side feed injectors ?

[korban]

They should fit, and would be the same flow as factory ST205 injectors, should be good for approx 300hp. Most people seem to use SARD 800's, to go further.

[brenton1919]

They should fit, and would be the same flow as factory ST205 injectors, should be good for approx 300hp. Most people seem to use SARD 800's, to go further.

but st205 injectors are top feed injectors he has a gen 2 i told him i dont know if a gen 2 engine has side feed injectors because i know for sure the sw20 has side feed injectors and they were made at the same time but i was wondering my self does a gen 2 have side feed injectors ?

[presure2]

brenton, brent both 2nd and 3rd gen have side feed injectors.
and deliusions, both of you guys need to stop.
if you cant act like adults, and debate the diffrences between the 20b, 26 and 27, ill just ban you both, i dont have time for this crap.

thread re-opened.

no chances, so dont push it.

art, get a 20b, preferably a WRC version if you can.

if you want a 1 year warranty, and prefer a remanufactured turbo, get the ct-27.

unlike these 2 guys, who just have hearsay and no direct experience with the ct-27, i have had both turbos. they are virtually identical as far as performance.

i actually have my old '27 in the garage, needs a new thrust bearing after 5 years of beating the hell out of it.

[easternpiro1]

brenton, brent both 2nd and 3rd gen have side feed injectors.
and deliusions, both of you guys need to stop.
if you cant act like adults, and debate the diffrences between the 20b, 26 and 27, ill just ban you both, i dont have time for this crap.

thread re-opened.

no chances, so dont push it.

art, get a 20b, preferably a WRC version if you can.

if you want a 1 year warranty, and prefer a remanufactured turbo, get the ct-27.

unlike these 2 guys, who just have hearsay and no direct experience with the ct-27, i have had both turbos. they are virtually identical as far as performance.

i actually have my old '27 in the garage, needs a new thrust bearing after 5 years of beating the hell out of it.

manny. i swear i want to shake your hand in person! i was JUST bout to beg you not to close this thread before it wound up getting closed, and just about to beg you to open it up befor it got opened! lol.


but what do you think about the 20b? in order for the blades to shatter i imagine you would have to be doing double what toyota designed it for right? (i assume this b/c toyota seems to build things to be reliable)