Raced My Friends Rice Burner, 95 Civic EX Options

[CupCrazy38]

Well, my friend has a rice burner. Bought his 95 Civic EX for $8,500 and has been modding it ever since. Performance wise, he's got headers, short ram intake, exhaust, SOHC V-Tech(economy, not performance V-Tech), and a few other stuff.

Well, off setting that is the fact that he's got this huge, heavy wing, 2 12"s in the trunk, 17" rims, and for the first 10 runs he had a friend with him....

I have my ST w/no mods and 1 10" in the back trunk.

Most of the time I'd beat him off the line, and we'd be even through second, yet I'd pull away in 3rd for some reason.

Well, we raced a total of 12 times, 10 of them he had a passenger, and the last 2 I had one.

Even with the passenger, and him alone I would pull away in 3rd gear.

The races were from a dead stop to 65-80 mph depending on the speed limit and what part of town.

My question is, my friend has been dring his car for 3-4 years now, and he would have really crappy launches and he sucks at shifting. When asked, he says his car is pushing 200 hp..... and I had a friend G-tech my car and it said I have 90-95 at the wheels. While not completely accurate, it did help me in improving my 60ft times and 1/8th times drastically...

Would all that extra heavey crap be enough to offset what performance mods he had to make our cars equal? Or was it just his shifting that caused him to loose every race? He's been bragging for about a year about how fast his car is but he wold never race.... now I see why.

This post has been edited by CupCrazy38: Dec 29, 2003 - 11:25 AM

[macavely]

first thing a celica is more of a rice burner then a civic...

and no if he is pulling 200hp... the he had in he with 200hp would not have taken enuff power away for you to beat him like that...

he either really can't drive or he has the same HP you do or less....

[CelicaSTX02]

Dude, that civic is not pushing 200hp.......those mods can at most give him like 40 horses extra (AT MOST!). He's a fool for thinking he has that much horses in a civic anyways. The 95 civic ex motor is weak, cause my friend has one w/ v-tech head and greddy turbocharger, and its still not that fast. Cause he dynoed his and got 212 horses. Anyways, to answer your question........weight is a big factor, but if he's not packing stuff over 100lbs extra, it shouldn't matter as much. Just rub it in his face when you beat him..........and say "haha, stoopid civic, I win once again, THE DAY IS MINE!!!!"

[ScoobyDooCruiser]

[boosted_K2]

ya even though it may not seem like it, driver is a HUGE factor, if he is as horrible as you say he is, that alone can change alot, bad launches and not sticking in the powerband, missed shifts, stuff like that can cause around a 3-4 car length difference or more if it was severe enough. but yea i too highly doubt hes putting 200 HP down. although as you said the G-tech pro is not 100% accurate they are a very good gauge to see what kind of range you are in. 90-95HP sounds exactly where you should be... did you happen to mention to him that his 200HP car got beat by one with 90-95HP? hehehe. also drag may have had a factor from his stupid wing... but i think that race was too short to make a big enough difference... and although hes got all that extra stuff, i think civics are a bit lighter than the celicas, so that probably evened it out more than anything.

and by how you were explaining it, it sounds like he'd shift out of the powerband everytime going to 3rd gear, one of the things i noticed with my 97 ST was that 2nd gear is the prime one for pulling on people, then to me it seemed like 3rd gear would just die... so if that is the one you pulled on him in, its probably something he was doing.

[Mage]

"those mods can at most give him like 40 horses extra"

40 hp? Haha, more like 4! Header/intake/exhaust do VERY little for NA engines. I doubt he gained more than 5 whp from all that nonsense.

[Kwanza26]

Weight and driver skill is the issue here. Civic Coupes weigh more than 6th gens (GTs and STs) so that already hurts him slightly. However, his engine (d15 SOHC Vtec) makes more power than your ST. With mods, around 130+ hp... Vtec is vtec... it's all for performance. There is no economy vtec. All in all, you won because he's a crappy driver and he's hauling crap...

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Dec 29, 2003 - 2:21 PM

[boosted_K2]

[Kwanza26]

[boosted_K2]

hehe its all good, but reguardless its more of a driver flaw then a car flaw, a good measure would be to switch cars and race, but i would NEVER let anyone in the driver seat of my car so i wouldnt expect you to either. lol i could see it now, he gets in tries to launch your car lets it go up through the band... and starts bouncing the needle off redline... and his reaction "WTF, Why cant i make 7K RPM?????"

[CupCrazy38]

Well, my friend that was in the car with me is going to borrow a video camera and try and tape a run if my friend in the civic is willing go again. He works tonight, and I've got work tomorrow night.... so we'll try and do it wed. night if he wants to go and we find a camcorder.

The sad part is, my friend who would be filming laughs at the whole thing. He blows by both of us.... he's got an 84 300Z Turbo Automatic and a 2003 350Z Manual.

[neoklis]

200 bhp is a ridiculus figure. Nontheless the Vtec can outperform the U.S. spec Celi at any time. The Hondas have a shorter second gear and i believe a smoother gearbox for racing purposes. Shifting gears correctly can play the bigger role when racing. I have this opinion since the day i saw a 1.5 turbo toyota Starlet beating a fully modified Nissan 300ZX on the race track because the guy in the Nissan lost the second gear. And that was after the Toyota beat 3-4 Type Rs.

[Andason]

[macavely]

[Andason]

[macavely]

a rice burn is a term that motorbike guys came up for those sports bikes that were made in japan.. so if your going to use the term the right way celicas are rice burner.. there is nothing wrong with it.. be happy with what you got

oh yea and i can't spell to save my life... i'm a hell of a lot better with numbers then i am with letters.

[Andason]

[macavely]

[boosted_K2]

"rice" all depends on your interpritation. theres no definition of it.

[ghostdog]