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post Jun 4, 2012 - 10:21 AM
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HOW TO REPLACE YOUR RADIATOR: LETS GO!


REASON FOR REPLACING: Cracks and Leaks

TWO COMMON MODERN RADIATOR TYPES: Aluminum core with plastic tanks and Full Aluminum Core and Tanks.

RADIATOR I BOUGHT: Sadly I didn't get any of the cool looking fully aluminum ones. Normally I get a good OEM one or a really good aftermarket one but I needed it right away because the car was down so I got this regular replacement, some brand called Automotive Cooling (So creative name).

FULL ALUMINUM RADIATOR FYI: Fully aluminum ones have known to have reviews such as:
-Sometimes mounting/fitment is poor, things may need removing like the cruise control cover and stock fans may have no clearance
-Read a lot that these radiators tend to leak. This may be a hit or miss chance, but seen installs right out of the box or radiator does not last long enough for its price.
-Although fully aluminum, it still tends to rust on the welds
-Price definitely plays a major role on whether you buy it or not, if you are not racing it or need major cooling assistance, you don't need it. Unless you just want your engine bay to look cool and you got cash to blow.
-Mishimoto is said to have okay warranty or customer support as I've read however I heard Koyo does not offer warranty because the radiator is used in racing applications and there are many factors on how it could affect or damage their radiators so they don't offer any real warranty, sad but true.

FULL ALUMINUM OPTIONS FOR 6GC:
Megan, Godspeed, Mishimoto, Koyo (Koyo does sell an OEM version), and Plenty Generic No Name Fully Aluminum Ones (Not Proven)


TOYOTA RADIATOR INSPECTION:
Condition Code Procedure
Air flow obstruction .... A ................. Require repair.
Application incorrect ... B ............ Require replacement.
Attaching hardware broken ................. A ... Require repair or replacement of hardware.
Attaching hardware missing ................ C .......... Require replacement of hardware.
Attaching hardware not functioning ............ A .. Require repair or replacement of hardware.
Connection leaking ...... A .. Require repair or replacement.
Corroded ................ 1 .. Suggest repair or replacement.
Drain inoperative ....... A .. Require repair or replacement.
Fins damaged, affecting performance ............ A .. Require repair or replacement.
Fins damaged, not affecting performance .. .. ........ No service suggested or required.
Internal oil cooler leaking ................ A .. Require repair or replacement.
Internal restrictions ... B .. Require repair or replacement.
Leaking ................. A .. Require repair or replacement.
Threads damaged ......... A .. Require repair or replacement.
Threads stripped (threads missing) ............... A .. Require repair or replacement.
Tubes damaged, affecting performance ............ A .. Require repair or replacement.
Tubes damaged, not affecting performance .. .. ........ No service suggested or required.

MY INSPECTION:



REMOVING THE RADIATOR:



Basically, jack up the car, put jack stands, and secure vehicle from rolling. Under your car, you must remove the plastics to access the lower radiator area. There are 10mm bolts just everywhere under. Select which bolts to remove.


Once you've removed the plastics, you will see this. You can start at this step and drain the coolant into a proper container. After draining you can remove the sensor and transfer it to the new radiator using an adjustable wrench to remove and reinstall. You can also remove the lower radiator clamp at this point to unhook the hose.










You don't need to remove the upper clamp of the lower radiator hose unless you are putting in brand new hoses. Again same applies for the upper radiator hose, unless both hoses need replacing they both need to be removed fully and reinstalled. In this pic below, its only if you don't need new hoses.


At this point, once you drain the radiator, you can start removing anything you want on the top side, theres no sequential must order. The radiator will hold on its pegs even if you take out everything on the top side so don't worry.








Basically, at this point the radiator is all ready to be removed. You can start to pull it up. Make sure nothing is keep it hooked down like the trans cooler lines if you have it for AT or the AC lines that run across the radiator. Here is the radiator removed.












Installation is the reverse. Basically as long as you put everything back and tight without putting coolant yet. Coolant should be the last to pour and at this point you are not installing anything anymore, you are just concentrating on pouring coolant and bleeding.

FILLING COOLANT:
Make sure your drain plug is tight and everything installed back correctly. Pour Coolant until radiator is full.

BLEEDING THE RADIATOR:
Theres really different ways to bleed the radiator. The OEM one is a little bit too much for me. The most simplest technique I use which may not be the most preferred by some but works for me is leave the cap off. Turn on the car with the heater set to the warmest. Let it warm up to normal operating temperature which is about almost half. You'll start to see bubbles. I suggest you get rags to keep things clean and place it around the radiator. I used mechanic paper towels. Bubbles will start to escape, this take a while sometimes. You'll start to notice once a good amount of air has escaped your fluid will drop because the space that air has taken up has been reduced and its mostly becoming fluid now. You can kinda squeeze your upper and lower radiator hoses to force or speed the exit of the bubbles, this gets messy too. By doing this eventually the bubbles will stop and coolant will be consistent (You must know the difference between bubbling and boiling, this is how you know when its done). Once it looks good enough, turn off car, pour more coolant and radiator cap it. Put coolant also at recommended reservoir levels. Bottom Line, get rid of em bubbles, it will promote a longer lasting radiator and best cooling for it. You don't really have to get the heater to the warmest in some occasions, you can just leave the cap open, leave the car on, and let the bubbles come out and normal operating temperature, and keep filling. BTW, there is no bleeder valve on our vehicles I believe.

OEM BLEEDING PROCEDURE:
(IT MAY SOUND WEIRD OR CONFUSING, CELICA OEM MANUAL USES AN MR2 FOR AN EXAMPLE, THATS WHY I DON'T LIKE IT)
Installation
1) To install, reverse removal procedure. Proper cooling system bleeding procedure must be followed.
2) Remove spare tire, front luggage compartment trim and upper radiator support seal. Connect air bleed hoses to heater and radiator air drain plugs. Attach and support opposite end of hoses to hood or hood support. See Fig. 33. Ensure hoses are not pinched.
3) Place heater control lever on instrument panel to warmest position. Open heater and radiator air drain plugs at least 3 turns.
4) Slowly add coolant through coolant filler. Air will bleed from hoses on heater and radiator air drain plugs. Ensure coolant in air bleed hoses and coolant filler are at the same lever.
5) If coolant level in air bleed hoses is lower than lever in coolant filler, air still exists in cooling system. Check for pinched or restriction in air bleed hoses. If necessary, repeat step 4). When proper coolant level is obtained in air bleed hoses, close air drain plugs. Remove air bleed hoses.

GOOD REFERENCE VIDEO FOR BLEEDING:
Bleeding Video Informational

IF YOU ARE REALLY LOST WITH BLEEDING, HERE: References

[b]FINAL COOLANT POUR:

When all is said and done, pour more coolant into your plastic reservoir to the full line and put back cap. Make sure you check for leaks after. Monitor it for the first week or so to determine and conclude its a good install.



Note: I guess you can flush the system if you want, you can read up on that. But its a new radiator so the only old stuff is whatever has made it internally through the cooling system. This is your call.

Another Good Note: I got scared about having too much bubbles so I did some research. Heres what I found: If the bubbles come out ,but the water level doesn't change, then most likely you have a head gasket leak or a crack in the head or block . If the water level goes down as it bubbles then it's just air in the system being bled out. Thats what happened to me, so I feel a little better knowing the level went down (twice even) as the bubbles came out. At the end, the level just stayed down, meaning no more air. *Crossing my fingers* Plus I do not have any other negative symptoms. Plus i've been having this white smoke cus I barely drive it, might be just moisture, but its been like that since 2005, no milky oil or coolant, no overheating, no power loss, etc. IDK i hope its not a head gasket issue, i just don't have any of the symptoms besides that white smoke when I start up, some water drips out the exhaust, but it eventually dries up and goes away. Bad PCV?

Disclaimer: I am not responsible for how you go about following these instructions. If you are not capable, I suggest you take it to the mechanic.

This write up is a work in progress, any feedback is appreciated to further provide better information.

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This post has been edited by trdproven: Jun 9, 2012 - 6:58 AM


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post Jun 4, 2012 - 1:06 PM
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Excellent write-up!

If I didn't have my radiator replaced when my engine was rebuilt I'd be following this to do it myself.


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post Jun 4, 2012 - 3:31 PM
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nice guide, but get rid of that preston 50/50 mix crap and replace it with toyota RED coolant!


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post Jun 4, 2012 - 4:21 PM
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I mean theres nothing wrong with the 50/50 stuff for DD. Of course you folks can choose your preferred coolant, thats just an example. Personally I wanted the red coolant, but its like 40 bucks here and I didn't have time to drive. Closest to my house is only green, gold, and the orange colored coolants.


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post Jun 4, 2012 - 5:47 PM
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QUOTE (trdproven @ Jun 4, 2012 - 5:21 PM) *
I mean theres nothing wrong with the 50/50 stuff for DD. Of course you folks can choose your preferred coolant, thats just an example. Personally I wanted the red coolant, but its like 40 bucks here and I didn't have time to drive. Closest to my house is only green, gold, and the orange colored coolants.


Yeah, I got the price when I asked for 2 gallons and I balked - definitely only bought 1 though. It was plenty though once mixed with water. Good stuff.



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post Jun 4, 2012 - 6:55 PM
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Wow! i was wondering where the auto trans cooler lines connected, can you send a picture of where they connect the opposite way just so i can see what it looks like, i just like to double check before i try to fix mine.
post Jun 4, 2012 - 7:30 PM
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those cooler lines connect via hoses just right in front of the auto trans. basically looks like a mirror of those two hoses on the trans side. its easy to find its just next to the radiator. I don't have my auto tranny anymore so i dont have any pics.


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post Jun 4, 2012 - 7:37 PM
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okay i know what you mean, thats good i actually have been running the auto trans cooler back into it because i wasnt sure about it
post Jun 6, 2012 - 3:50 AM
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QUOTE (Keiri @ Jun 5, 2012 - 8:47 AM) *
QUOTE (trdproven @ Jun 4, 2012 - 5:21 PM) *
I mean theres nothing wrong with the 50/50 stuff for DD. Of course you folks can choose your preferred coolant, thats just an example. Personally I wanted the red coolant, but its like 40 bucks here and I didn't have time to drive. Closest to my house is only green, gold, and the orange colored coolants.


Yeah, I got the price when I asked for 2 gallons and I balked - definitely only bought 1 though. It was plenty though once mixed with water. Good stuff.


my car is almost never driven so the diluted stuff is okay. I'd get the red one if it was DD.


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post Jun 9, 2012 - 10:34 AM
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I just got my new radiator that came in yesterday but not going to have time to put it in until Sunday or Monday. So what's the recommended coolant? I've always used 50/50 prediluted green coolant. My driving conditions are just normal daily driving commuting car.


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My radiator same problem cracked in the same area and leaks today I drained it out bad news came out yellow got me worried so I have to do a leak down test tomorrow and what would be a good replacement radiator how much is the oem koyO
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QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Jun 10, 2012 - 1:34 AM) *
I just got my new radiator that came in yesterday but not going to have time to put it in until Sunday or Monday. So what's the recommended coolant? I've always used 50/50 prediluted green coolant. My driving conditions are just normal daily driving commuting car.


50/50 is fine for daily driving but any OEM fanatic would say the red coolant. Theres many different colors with different properties to it.

QUOTE (mi645 @ Jun 20, 2012 - 8:36 PM) *
My radiator same problem cracked in the same area and leaks today I drained it out bad news came out yellow got me worried so I have to do a leak down test tomorrow and what would be a good replacement radiator how much is the oem koyO


OEM koyo won't run you more than 175 shipped. Are you sure you didn't use the goldish yellow coolant?


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sorry quick noob question.. I dont recognize where the full line is on my coolant reservoir, can somebody post a quick picture with indication of where it exactly is? thanks smile.gif
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QUOTE (specter1001 @ Sep 2, 2012 - 11:24 AM) *
sorry quick noob question.. I dont recognize where the full line is on my coolant reservoir, can somebody post a quick picture with indication of where it exactly is? thanks smile.gif


what do you mean, going to the reservoir, its just that top hose going to the top of the reservoir, in my pics, its the red hose.


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post Sep 1, 2012 - 11:38 PM
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nvm i see it lol

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