2zz, 6 speed swap 100% custom, just as the title says Options

[richee3]

3S-GTE!

3S-GTE!

What they said.

[Special_Edy]

Have you done measurements?

The engine/transmission need to fit the engine compartment; length width and height.
The axles need to be straight and centered when the car is at ride height. This may mean you have to cut a hole in the firewall or radiator support, the hood or the suspension/engine crossmember. The center of the wheels will have to line up with the differential and the location of the wheels in relation to the drivetrain may be very different on a seventh gen.
As smaay said the axle absolutely must be the same length as the oem sixth gen unless you swap control arms and tierods. All the suspension components are specific lengths because they are all triangulated.

[NOVAKx17]

I don't see wiring being a huge issue if you can figure it out, but what are you going to do as far as axles?

Custom made axles from a local shop, going to take the whole car in when i get the engine dropped in and everything bolted in and welded securely.

3S-GTE!

3s-gte is like herpes on this site... everybody has it anymore.

Smaay-- i am still doing a v6 swap as well, but it will be going in my Vert. and i was going to ask you to give me a hand with something for my project if you can pm me brother.

This kid can do anything, didn't you read his thread about putting smaller wheels on the rear?

thanks for the support brother. that thread was just to see if there would be any issues with wearing unevenly.
the best engine builder in the world can know absolutely nothing about suspension. you seem to be judgmental.

[C-Lara]

We've gotten 2zz into xds before. Its a good motor. Redlining at 8-10k. Its great but your not gonna like it cause it lacks torque. Weight wise. Were not too far. Corolla xrs are about 2600lbs. Xd's just about that. But your gonna have to fabricate many pieces.

Aftermarket suppport. Tons
But if ur going n/a its an expensive game. They gotten up to 250hp but that's stroked motor and whatnot
The engine can and are a powerhouse. Get up to 350hp on stock internals. Not bad for a high compression motor. But the engine does have some weak spots nd so does the trans. Some people beef up the trans but people realize its best to make the smaller step further and get the 2zz mated to an E153

[NOVAKx17]

We've gotten 2zz into xds before. Its a good motor. Redlining at 8-10k. Its great but your not gonna like it cause it lacks torque. Weight wise. Were not too far. Corolla xrs are about 2600lbs. Xd's just about that. But your gonna have to fabricate many pieces.

Aftermarket suppport. Tons
But if ur going n/a its an expensive game. They gotten up to 250hp but that's stroked motor and whatnot
The engine can and are a powerhouse. Get up to 350hp on stock internals. Not bad for a high compression motor. But the engine does have some weak spots nd so does the trans. Some people beef up the trans but people realize its best to make the smaller step further and get the 2zz mated to an E153

thanks for the input.
i plan on running boost.
going to keep the internals stock for now, figure why not since it only has 71k miles and runs great
plus id like to get it in the car and running before i dump cash into the engine.

[SwissFerdi]

3S-GTE!

3S-GTE!

3S-GTE?

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Feb 4, 2013 - 5:05 PM

[richee3]

Alright, I'm done joking around now. I wrote a serious post earlier but decided to go with the cry for a 3S based on the original post. Mike, I totally understand the desire to have an uncommon swap, but honestly the 2ZZ is a terrible pick. There's a reason that we all say go for a 3S-GTE, not a 2ZZ. Your 5S has more torque than a 2ZZ, and let's be honest... the 3S swap looks common on 6gc, but how many have you seen in real life? It's not a common thing at all. If you want a high compression N/A engine, swap a BEAMS. The swap will be far simpler and cheaper than a 2ZZ, has loads more torque and 17 hp more, and is a far better choice for a 6gc chassis. But if you're going to swap a BEAMS, then why not be more sensible and swap a V6? See how it all comes back around to what makes the most power for the least work and money?

What I'm getting at is if you want to do a swap that hasn't been done before, then a 6gc isn't the right chassis to do it in. There are better cars out there to do swaps in. If you're determined to do a complicated swap in a Celica, then do a 2GR. Wiring will be equally complicated to the 2ZZ, you'll have the same exhaust hitting the steering issue, except you'll have a motor that can actually handle the weight of a 6gc without thousands of dollars to boost. You know I'm not trying to shut down your ideas or enthusiasm, but a 2ZZ isn't the engine to pick. There are better engines for a T20 chassis. I'm absolutely not saying don't do something new or interesting, but I am saying that you'll regret a 2ZZ swap. Ever driven a Celica GT-S? They feel dreadfully slow until they hit lift, then you have to shift and the fun is over until you hit lift again. Let me give some number for comparison... The 7th gen is ~ 100 lbs lighter than the 6th gen, yet has less torque than a 6th gen GT until like 6,500 rpm.

Also, let me throw this out there. I have a Celica with a high revving, high compression engine. It isn't fun to DD. Revving to the sky is no fun unless you're somewhere where you can keep the engine revved up that high. The Celica is a heavy chassis so an engine that makes power in the low RPM's is a better choice. High revving, low torque engines like the 2ZZ are more suited for a lighter chassis.

This post has been edited by richee3: Feb 4, 2013 - 5:15 PM

[Smaay]

NOBODY has made 250HP in a 2ZZ NA

the 7th gen is much lighter that a 6th gen.

[travisxcore]

7th gen motors are crude. I see more 7gcs in the yard then I do 6gcs. Funny thing is all the 6gcs look like they were in a destruction derby, the 7gcs look pretty decent...well besides the fact most of them are riced out like crazy.

There is a reason everyone suggests the 3SGTE. Its way more bang for your buck. Plus its a whole lot more reliable, you really think that 2ZZ will make it to 250k and beyond? I doubt it.

Don't turn that 6gc in to a poor crudey sad car!

Make her happy and keep an era/chassis appropriate motor!

[czwalga]

V8 rwd not much more work! why the hell not.

[C-Lara]

NOBODY has made 250HP in a 2ZZ NA

the 7th gen is much lighter that a 6th gen.

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f25/smw-2z...t-results-9023/

Weight does play a big role for this engine

This post has been edited by C-Lara: Feb 4, 2013 - 5:38 PM

[njccmd2002]

Wow all this negativism. Why?

[BonzaiCelica]

the 7gc is 100-120 lbs lighter than 6th gen gt with 5sfe. which is not that much

the st celica with 7afe weighs 100 lbs lighter than Celica gt2 with 2zz engine. so its ideal to put 2zz into a at200 chassis. as it will put that quite nicely like a beams motor in the high rev range

but have you ever seen or tried looking for a salvage 2002+ integra or civic with k20 engine honestly. the guys who have 2000-2005 mr2 do this swap every so often. There is more info on wiring than there is info on wiring for 7afe to 2zzge

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 4, 2013 - 5:59 PM

[Ted95]

Everything Richee said is 100% correct. If your looking for a fun N/A ride I'd go for the V6 or a Beams but leaning towards the V6 as you will an opportunity to SC it down the road if you wanted to. usually you would want to put a larger motor into a lighter car not a smaller motor into a heavier car..

If your looking to potentially boost the 2zz down the road then you really are better off swapping in a 3s as the motor is already built factory to produce ~300hp.. (yes I said 300hp..) and it really isn't that common of a swap (although there are 5 swaps with in 40miles of me which all belong to this forum, East Coast loves 3sgte lol) outside of this forum NO ONE has any idea about the 3sgte and what the Celica can do. They really are sleepers.

Heck toss this around in your head, you could potentially have a SC V6 celi and a 3sgte celi.. best of both worlds if you ask me lol. I admire your eagerness to do something completely outside the box, but I think you might find yourself wanting to jump back in and it will already be to late

This post has been edited by Ted95: Feb 4, 2013 - 5:56 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

Wow all this negativism. Why?

people here are just ranting as always. richee you made good points. and novak already knows them.

so just do it and while you are doing the swap ask us questions simple as that. enough talk already we need action from you.

[richee3]

You should put an SR20 in there. Gotta do it more than a week before Race Wars though, those things start to pull a premium.

[NOVAKx17]

100 lbs won't make that huge of a difference, especially considering the whole car will be gutted and we'll lose some weight there as well.

and czwalga, i thought about the tempting idea of a sbc 350 in there with rwd conversion after seeing the guy in wv sucessfully do that swap to his 7th gen celica

You should put an SR20 in there. Gotta do it more than a week before Race Wars though, those things start to pull a premium.

okay johnny tran (;

[klue]

the 2zz is a turd, if your gonna do something different make it good. Do a k20

[C-Lara]

the 2zz is a turd, if your gonna do something different make it good. Do a k20

Not offended but really? Lol .. I'm hoping your basing this off experience and not youtube videos

This post has been edited by C-Lara: Feb 4, 2013 - 7:14 PM

[Tigawoods]

SO MANY WORDSSS