Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams, Let's do this ! Options

[Batman722]

OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be.
I'm a believer in both.

First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO.
A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head.
You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte.

I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with.
The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head.

Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat.
The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really.
Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why.
Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams.
Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer.
3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher.
Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed.

Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe.
A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise.
A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars.

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2GR-FZE

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[njccmd2002]

In all seriousness is this thread going somewhere? We are clearly divided. And not 1 side has come up with the holy grail answer.

Everyone has valid points. But no one is winning the debate. Looks more like a session of congress here.

Swap whatever you like and call it yours. Whatever it is, if you believe you make the right choice then go on with life. If you dont like it then swap again. Who cares? Unless its the person paying your bills...

Or else just list your car on ebay several times until someone buys it.

Peace guys.... I will say, never has there been so much participation of members.

Here is my real stance..... I will be back....

[Celicaguy13]

I do have a 1MZ swap in my MR2. I've also driven a BEAMs MR2. It's NOT a bad engine. It's fun. Just no torque. Reminds me of a Honda engine.

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Or else just list your car on ebay several times until someone buys it.

That's right, rack up more in listing fees that what the car is even worth.

[Keiri]

In all seriousness is this thread going somewhere? We are clearly divided. And not 1 side has come up with the holy grail answer.

Everyone has valid points. But no one is winning the debate. Looks more like a session of congress here.

Swap whatever you like and call it yours. Whatever it is, if you believe you make the right choice then go on with life. If you dont like it then swap again. Who cares? Unless its the person paying your bills...

Or else just list your car on ebay several times until someone buys it.

Peace guys.... I will say, never has there been so much participation of members.

Here is my real stance..... I will be back....

Believe it when I see it, 'Berto!

[mr220v]

In all honesty the best swap is the 1nzfxe. A blistering 110hp, and you can pick the motor up and place it in the car by hand. No need to mess with those pesky engine hoists.




It's also the only motor I've had where I can take it out without also removing the transmission.

This post has been edited by mr220v: Oct 2, 2013 - 3:46 PM

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Looks like you're struggling there, do you even lift brah?

[kurt95gt]

In all honesty the best swap is the 1nzfxe. A blistering 110hp, and you can pick the motor up and place it in the car by hand. No need to mess with those pesky engine hoists.




It's also the only motor I've had where I can take it out without also removing the transmission.

Hahaha
The super economic motor swap right like we talked about??

I do have a 1MZ swap in my MR2. I've also driven a BEAMs MR2. It's NOT a bad engine. It's fun. Just no torque. Reminds me of a Honda engine.

What trans ate you using??

[BonzaiCelica]

only way i'd race smaay is if he had stock 1mzfe 98-00 camry or solora which produces 194-200 hp.

i would need to mix my fuel 91 octane and 100 octane to get a 94 octane mixture. then we can race. otherwise he will beat me. he's got a 3mz intake manifold.

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only way i'd race smaay is if he had stock 1mzfe 98-00 camry or solora which produces 194-200 hp.

i would need to mix my fuel 91 octane and 100 octane to get a 94 octane mixture. then we can race. otherwise he will beat me. he's got a 3mz intake manifold.

All I'm hearing are excuses.

[rdyzz]

lol this thread... if only there were a way to slap two 3s heads on a v6 bottom end it would be comparable, but until then no amount of technology is going to give a 2L the same powerband as 3-3.3L none. all you can do is utilize the displacement and make it more efficient. i mean even if you have a variable valve lift, variable valve timing, variable intake runner and variable compression technology all in one engine (lol that would be one hell of an engine to tune) you will not get a 2L to make 200lb.ft of torque at near 2,500rpm.

besides you guys are wrong.

4age beats you, thats right 1.6l of furry. 500hp @ 40,000rpm 120lb tq @ 32,000rpm + cvt transmission = 240mph

[kurt95gt]

What's the intake have to do with it??
An he's got a 1mz intake not a 3mz

[Celicaguy13]

I would so put a 1nz in my MR2 and turbo it!
MPG and decent power to putt putt around in

[kurt95gt]

lol this thread... if only there were a way to slap two 3s heads on a v6 bottom end it would be comparable, but until then no amount of technology is going to give a 2L the same powerband as 3-3.3L none. all you can do is utilize the displacement and make it more efficient. i mean even if you have a variable valve lift, variable valve timing, variable intake runner and variable compression technology all in one engine (lol that would be one hell of an engine to tune) you will not get a 2L to make 200lb.ft of torque at near 2,500rpm.

besides you guys are wrong.

4age beats you, thats right 1.6l of furry. 500hp @ 40,000rpm 120lb tq @ 32,000rpm + cvt transmission = 240mph

I wanna see a 4age spinning at those rpms
That's gotta sound crazy

[ILoveMySilly97]

I do have a 1MZ swap in my MR2. I've also driven a BEAMs MR2. It's NOT a bad engine. It's fun. Just no torque. Reminds me of a Honda engine.

Wasn't our beams ssiii and the 7gc gts made to compete against the integras?

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I do have a 1MZ swap in my MR2. I've also driven a BEAMs MR2. It's NOT a bad engine. It's fun. Just no torque. Reminds me of a Honda engine.

Wasn't our beams ssiii and the 7gc gts made to compete against the integras?

More or less, though I'd take them over the Integra.

[kurt95gt]

I do have a 1MZ swap in my MR2. I've also driven a BEAMs MR2. It's NOT a bad engine. It's fun. Just no torque. Reminds me of a Honda engine.

Wasn't our beams ssiii and the 7gc gts made to compete against the integras?

Yes basically but not with the pos engine options we got state side

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It'd be as if Honda decided to use their non VTEC Civic and Accord engine in their sports car for the American market. For some reason Toyota thought they should do something along those lines.

[Smaay]

sotck for stock, 7th gen GTS and integra GSR were equals, ITR's were a little faster.

WAAAAYYYY back in the day when i only had an AEM CAI and TRD exhaust, I was able to beat an ITR with an exhaust. For some reason my 7th gen was just a lil faster than most others.

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Supposedly the TRD exhaust brought it up to 190hp.