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post Sep 24, 2013 - 11:41 PM
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OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be.
I'm a believer in both.

First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO.
A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head.
You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte.

I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with.
The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head.

Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat.
The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really.
Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why.
Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams.
Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer.
3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher.
Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed.

Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe.
A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise.
A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars.


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Posts in this topic
- Batman722   Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams   Sep 24, 2013 - 11:41 PM
- - Smaay   well i have yet to see anyone on here post a Dyno ...   Oct 1, 2013 - 5:13 PM
- - njccmd2002   IBTL   Oct 1, 2013 - 5:23 PM
|- - Box   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Oct 1, 2013 - 5...   Oct 1, 2013 - 6:20 PM
- - Smaay   Ha ha ha those are funny   Oct 1, 2013 - 7:12 PM
- - blackliftback   Drag racing is too boring. The mz has more weight ...   Oct 1, 2013 - 7:35 PM
|- - Box   The 1MZ doesn't weigh much more, if any, over ...   Oct 1, 2013 - 7:59 PM
- - blackliftback   Both sounds really nice to have. Since i have made...   Oct 1, 2013 - 7:40 PM
- - Syaoran   Swapping a V6 for power? That's the purpose o...   Oct 1, 2013 - 7:48 PM
- - kurt95gt   Only thing I'm going to comment on that you sa...   Oct 1, 2013 - 7:56 PM
- - kurt95gt   The one an only time I will call him out on anythi...   Oct 1, 2013 - 8:08 PM
- - richee3   Hardly a call-out. The RX 300 is a piss poor exam...   Oct 1, 2013 - 8:11 PM
- - blackliftback   People do swaps for power and when they do it for ...   Oct 1, 2013 - 8:46 PM
|- - Box   QUOTE (blackliftback @ Oct 1, 2013 - 8...   Oct 1, 2013 - 10:18 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (blackliftback @ Oct 1, 2013 - 9...   Oct 1, 2013 - 10:34 PM
- - blackliftback   Sorry for being a post whore but... Arent there ...   Oct 1, 2013 - 8:51 PM
- - richee3   There's no aftermarket for the BEAMS at all. 1...   Oct 1, 2013 - 8:53 PM
- - blackliftback   Idk... Quick search and i found itbs and overbore ...   Oct 1, 2013 - 9:10 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (blackliftback @ Oct 1, 2013 - 10...   Oct 1, 2013 - 10:39 PM
- - celicakitten   This thread sure has a certain level of entertainm...   Oct 1, 2013 - 9:45 PM
- - blackliftback   If you want to go beams and after market. Theres n...   Oct 1, 2013 - 11:32 PM
- - blackliftback   And if you want good torque in a small car... Just...   Oct 1, 2013 - 11:35 PM
|- - bnr32celica   QUOTE (blackliftback @ Oct 2, 2013 - 12...   Oct 1, 2013 - 11:45 PM
- - Smaay   blackliftback, i dont think you have enough knowle...   Oct 2, 2013 - 12:36 AM
- - bluecelicawife   And where the hell did the whole Honda talk come f...   Oct 2, 2013 - 6:01 AM
- - presure2   QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Sep 30, 2013 - 7:2...   Oct 2, 2013 - 9:36 AM
- - kurt95gt   I know you werent Manny I was just making a joke ...   Oct 2, 2013 - 9:51 AM
- - mr220v   Which is better, beams or 1mz? Neither. Get a ge...   Oct 2, 2013 - 10:17 AM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (mr220v @ Oct 2, 2013 - 11:17 ...   Oct 2, 2013 - 10:20 AM
- - mr220v   Just my opinion based on the inside info I have on...   Oct 2, 2013 - 10:31 AM
- - kurt95gt   Well you would be the one to know My swap nickel...   Oct 2, 2013 - 10:36 AM
- - mr220v   This tends to happen to mr2 swappers as well.   Oct 2, 2013 - 10:42 AM
- - RabidTRD   So: If you have another car and time to patiently...   Oct 2, 2013 - 10:50 AM
- - mr220v   and consider a gen4 while you're at it.   Oct 2, 2013 - 10:56 AM
- - czwalga   3sgte or nothing. I'd be willing to bet you...   Oct 2, 2013 - 11:24 AM
- - mr220v   I'm not a fan of gen3 lag. Definitely a reaso...   Oct 2, 2013 - 12:20 PM
- - Celicaguy13   I drive my 1MZ swap daily 130 miles. It makes for ...   Oct 2, 2013 - 12:22 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (Celicaguy13 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 1...   Oct 2, 2013 - 12:30 PM
- - kurt95gt   We got the prices we have from a lot of trial an e...   Oct 2, 2013 - 12:33 PM
- - mr220v   I pulled off the 2grfe swap I did for my brother f...   Oct 2, 2013 - 12:57 PM
- - Smaay   QUOTE (mr220v @ Oct 2, 2013 - 8:17 A...   Oct 2, 2013 - 2:41 PM
- - Box   2GR-FZE /thread   Oct 2, 2013 - 2:51 PM
- - njccmd2002   In all seriousness is this thread going somewhere?...   Oct 2, 2013 - 3:22 PM
|- - Box   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 3...   Oct 2, 2013 - 3:29 PM
- - Celicaguy13   I do have a 1MZ swap in my MR2. I've also driv...   Oct 2, 2013 - 3:22 PM
|- - ILoveMySilly97   QUOTE (Celicaguy13 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 1...   Oct 2, 2013 - 7:58 PM
|- - Box   QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 7...   Oct 2, 2013 - 8:05 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 8...   Oct 2, 2013 - 10:57 PM
- - Keiri   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 4...   Oct 2, 2013 - 3:40 PM
- - mr220v   In all honesty the best swap is the 1nzfxe. A bli...   Oct 2, 2013 - 3:40 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (mr220v @ Oct 2, 2013 - 3:40 P...   Oct 2, 2013 - 4:15 PM
- - Box   Looks like you're struggling there, do you eve...   Oct 2, 2013 - 4:02 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   only way i'd race smaay is if he had stock 1mz...   Oct 2, 2013 - 4:18 PM
|- - Box   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Oct 2, 2013 - 4...   Oct 2, 2013 - 4:35 PM
- - rdyzz   lol this thread... if only there were a way to sla...   Oct 2, 2013 - 4:53 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (rdyzz @ Oct 2, 2013 - 5:53 PM...   Oct 2, 2013 - 4:57 PM
- - kurt95gt   What's the intake have to do with it?? An he...   Oct 2, 2013 - 4:54 PM
- - Celicaguy13   I would so put a 1nz in my MR2 and turbo it! ...   Oct 2, 2013 - 4:55 PM
- - Box   It'd be as if Honda decided to use their non V...   Oct 2, 2013 - 11:35 PM
- - Smaay   sotck for stock, 7th gen GTS and integra GSR were ...   Oct 2, 2013 - 11:57 PM
|- - ILoveMySilly97   QUOTE (Smaay @ Oct 2, 2013 - 9:57 PM...   Oct 3, 2013 - 2:17 AM
|- - bnr32celica   QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Oct 3, 2013 - 3...   Oct 3, 2013 - 10:07 AM
- - Box   Supposedly the TRD exhaust brought it up to 190hp.   Oct 3, 2013 - 12:03 AM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (Box @ Oct 3, 2013 - 12:03 AM)...   Oct 3, 2013 - 12:04 AM
|- - Smaay   QUOTE (Box @ Oct 2, 2013 - 10:03 PM)...   Oct 3, 2013 - 3:52 PM
- - Box   You also got a spiffy body kit. I'd like a 7G...   Oct 3, 2013 - 12:09 AM
- - celicakitten   QUOTE (bluecelicawife @ Oct 2, 2013 - 6...   Oct 3, 2013 - 1:40 AM
- - Box   Was 190 at the flywheel, so should be mid 160...   Oct 3, 2013 - 5:28 PM
- - Takumi-FujiWaraST   LSX end thread jk. But my legend uses the type2 c...   Oct 3, 2013 - 6:32 PM
- - Box   LS1 Miata, problem solved.   Oct 3, 2013 - 6:59 PM
- - Rusty   this thread has had its time V6, 3S-GE, BEAMS, 3S...   Oct 3, 2013 - 8:00 PM
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