Sep 24, 2013 - 11:41 PM
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OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be. I'm a believer in both. First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO. A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head. You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte. I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with. The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head. Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat. The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really. Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why. Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams. Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer. 3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher. Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed. Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe. A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise. A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars. -------------------- |
Batman722 Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams Sep 24, 2013 - 11:41 PM
Smaay well i have yet to see anyone on here post a Dyno ... Oct 1, 2013 - 5:13 PM
njccmd2002 IBTL Oct 1, 2013 - 5:23 PM
Box QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Oct 1, 2013 - 5... Oct 1, 2013 - 6:20 PM
Smaay Ha ha ha those are funny Oct 1, 2013 - 7:12 PM
blackliftback Drag racing is too boring. The mz has more weight ... Oct 1, 2013 - 7:35 PM
Box The 1MZ doesn't weigh much more, if any, over ... Oct 1, 2013 - 7:59 PM
blackliftback Both sounds really nice to have. Since i have made... Oct 1, 2013 - 7:40 PM
Syaoran Swapping a V6 for power?
That's the purpose o... Oct 1, 2013 - 7:48 PM
kurt95gt Only thing I'm going to comment on that you sa... Oct 1, 2013 - 7:56 PM
kurt95gt The one an only time I will call him out on anythi... Oct 1, 2013 - 8:08 PM
richee3 Hardly a call-out. The RX 300 is a piss poor exam... Oct 1, 2013 - 8:11 PM
blackliftback People do swaps for power and when they do it for ... Oct 1, 2013 - 8:46 PM
Box QUOTE (blackliftback @ Oct 1, 2013 - 8... Oct 1, 2013 - 10:18 PM
kurt95gt QUOTE (blackliftback @ Oct 1, 2013 - 9... Oct 1, 2013 - 10:34 PM
blackliftback Sorry for being a post whore but...
Arent there ... Oct 1, 2013 - 8:51 PM
richee3 There's no aftermarket for the BEAMS at all. 1... Oct 1, 2013 - 8:53 PM
blackliftback Idk... Quick search and i found itbs and overbore ... Oct 1, 2013 - 9:10 PM
kurt95gt QUOTE (blackliftback @ Oct 1, 2013 - 10... Oct 1, 2013 - 10:39 PM
celicakitten This thread sure has a certain level of entertainm... Oct 1, 2013 - 9:45 PM
blackliftback If you want to go beams and after market. Theres n... Oct 1, 2013 - 11:32 PM
blackliftback And if you want good torque in a small car... Just... Oct 1, 2013 - 11:35 PM
bnr32celica QUOTE (blackliftback @ Oct 2, 2013 - 12... Oct 1, 2013 - 11:45 PM
Smaay blackliftback, i dont think you have enough knowle... Oct 2, 2013 - 12:36 AM
bluecelicawife And where the hell did the whole Honda talk come f... Oct 2, 2013 - 6:01 AM
presure2 QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Sep 30, 2013 - 7:2... Oct 2, 2013 - 9:36 AM
kurt95gt I know you werent Manny
I was just making a joke ... Oct 2, 2013 - 9:51 AM
mr220v Which is better, beams or 1mz? Neither. Get a ge... Oct 2, 2013 - 10:17 AM
kurt95gt QUOTE (mr220v @ Oct 2, 2013 - 11:17 ... Oct 2, 2013 - 10:20 AM
mr220v Just my opinion based on the inside info I have on... Oct 2, 2013 - 10:31 AM
kurt95gt Well you would be the one to know
My swap nickel... Oct 2, 2013 - 10:36 AM
mr220v This tends to happen to mr2 swappers as well. Oct 2, 2013 - 10:42 AM
RabidTRD So:
If you have another car and time to patiently... Oct 2, 2013 - 10:50 AM
mr220v and consider a gen4 while you're at it. Oct 2, 2013 - 10:56 AM
czwalga 3sgte or nothing. I'd be willing to bet you... Oct 2, 2013 - 11:24 AM
mr220v I'm not a fan of gen3 lag. Definitely a reaso... Oct 2, 2013 - 12:20 PM
Celicaguy13 I drive my 1MZ swap daily 130 miles. It makes for ... Oct 2, 2013 - 12:22 PM
kurt95gt QUOTE (Celicaguy13 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 1... Oct 2, 2013 - 12:30 PM
kurt95gt We got the prices we have from a lot of trial an e... Oct 2, 2013 - 12:33 PM
mr220v I pulled off the 2grfe swap I did for my brother f... Oct 2, 2013 - 12:57 PM
Smaay QUOTE (mr220v @ Oct 2, 2013 - 8:17 A... Oct 2, 2013 - 2:41 PM
Box 2GR-FZE
/thread Oct 2, 2013 - 2:51 PM
njccmd2002 In all seriousness is this thread going somewhere?... Oct 2, 2013 - 3:22 PM
Box QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 3... Oct 2, 2013 - 3:29 PM
Celicaguy13 I do have a 1MZ swap in my MR2. I've also driv... Oct 2, 2013 - 3:22 PM
ILoveMySilly97 QUOTE (Celicaguy13 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 1... Oct 2, 2013 - 7:58 PM
Box QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 7... Oct 2, 2013 - 8:05 PM
kurt95gt QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 8... Oct 2, 2013 - 10:57 PM
Keiri QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 4... Oct 2, 2013 - 3:40 PM
mr220v In all honesty the best swap is the 1nzfxe. A bli... Oct 2, 2013 - 3:40 PM
kurt95gt QUOTE (mr220v @ Oct 2, 2013 - 3:40 P... Oct 2, 2013 - 4:15 PM
Box Looks like you're struggling there, do you eve... Oct 2, 2013 - 4:02 PM
BonzaiCelica only way i'd race smaay is if he had stock 1mz... Oct 2, 2013 - 4:18 PM
Box QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Oct 2, 2013 - 4... Oct 2, 2013 - 4:35 PM
rdyzz lol this thread... if only there were a way to sla... Oct 2, 2013 - 4:53 PM
kurt95gt QUOTE (rdyzz @ Oct 2, 2013 - 5:53 PM... Oct 2, 2013 - 4:57 PM
kurt95gt What's the intake have to do with it??
An he... Oct 2, 2013 - 4:54 PM
Celicaguy13 I would so put a 1nz in my MR2 and turbo it!
... Oct 2, 2013 - 4:55 PM
Box It'd be as if Honda decided to use their non V... Oct 2, 2013 - 11:35 PM
Smaay sotck for stock, 7th gen GTS and integra GSR were ... Oct 2, 2013 - 11:57 PM
ILoveMySilly97 QUOTE (Smaay @ Oct 2, 2013 - 9:57 PM... Oct 3, 2013 - 2:17 AM
bnr32celica QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Oct 3, 2013 - 3... Oct 3, 2013 - 10:07 AM
Box Supposedly the TRD exhaust brought it up to 190hp. Oct 3, 2013 - 12:03 AM
kurt95gt QUOTE (Box @ Oct 3, 2013 - 12:03 AM)... Oct 3, 2013 - 12:04 AM
Smaay QUOTE (Box @ Oct 2, 2013 - 10:03 PM)... Oct 3, 2013 - 3:52 PM
Box You also got a spiffy body kit. I'd like a 7G... Oct 3, 2013 - 12:09 AM
celicakitten QUOTE (bluecelicawife @ Oct 2, 2013 - 6... Oct 3, 2013 - 1:40 AM
Box Was 190 at the flywheel, so should be mid 160... Oct 3, 2013 - 5:28 PM
Takumi-FujiWaraST LSX end thread jk.
But my legend uses the type2 c... Oct 3, 2013 - 6:32 PM
Box LS1 Miata, problem solved. Oct 3, 2013 - 6:59 PM
Rusty this thread has had its time
V6, 3S-GE, BEAMS, 3S... Oct 3, 2013 - 8:00 PM![]() ![]() |
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