Cams? Options

[yfn16]

It's been a while since I've done any work to my Celica, but I'm getting ready to tear down the motor again. Does anyone know if there are any companies making cams for the 5sfe? I know years ago you couldn't find anything. -Thanks

[cardshark525]

Webcams is what people have been using on here for years.

[yfn16]

Webcams is what people have been using on here for years.

Thanks. I never realized any were offered for our engines other than stock.

[Smaay]

Webcams is what people have been using on here for years.

I dont know of anyone but Pressure using them.

[yfn16]

And pressure has the 3sgte. I have a 5sfte. Anyone used them on the 5s application?

[cardshark525]

And pressure has the 3sgte. I have a 5sfte. Anyone used them on the 5s application?

He was running a Webcams 294 regrind on his 5SFTE....

To my knowledge he's running stock camshafts on his 3S

This post has been edited by cardshark525: Feb 4, 2014 - 10:36 AM

[ILoveMySilly97]

The dynod result was 20whp and 15tq gain I believe. That's with i/h/e. I was looking into it too but its just too expensive for me. 600-800 for the cams and another couple hundred for tuning and dyno

[yfn16]

+20whp and 15tq? That may not be enough for me to drop $1000.

[Tigawoods]

WebCams (sharper increase at 4k) $? possible around 600
&
Colt Cams (smoother power curve starting around 3k) $400

SAFC2 - $100-150

done

[ILoveMySilly97]

+20whp and 15tq? That may not be enough for me to drop $1000.

Yeap. Exactly why I didn't go that route. Your best bet is to buy it used from someone. Either the Camry, mr2, or us Celica guys.

WebCams (sharper increase at 4k) $? possible around 600
&
Colt Cams (smoother power curve starting around 3k) $400

SAFC2 - $100-150

done

Have the results for the colt?

[Tigawoods]

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=80857
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=81235

[ILoveMySilly97]

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=80857
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=81235

Not a bad option. About the same result just different power curve. Webcams has a higher peak and the colt has a lower peak like the stock cams. I wouldn't mind either one if I cam get it under $250 used. Lol.

[Tigawoods]

people should charge more than $150 for stock cams. Any more than that and its highway robbery.

The other option is to decommission your engine and send out cams that are already in the car

[ILoveMySilly97]

Webcams:

now the real info



now my motor has 156K miles on it and my compression was low, but consistant.

here's a comparison was another 5s, 1998 51K miles on it



and some #s info



and the INFO

my 5s topped out at 123whp and 126ft/lbs of torque.

on the 1998 stock 5s (intake) at 4700 RPMs it doesn't make any more power, it drops hp like a rock. My 1995 156K 5s continues to make hp. I peaked out close to redline and CONTINUED TO MAKE POWER until then. So at redline (about 6000 RPMs) I had about 123hp while the stock had The stock 5s 103hp. As for torque, the 98 drops off at 4700 and mine continued hold out longer. I had 110ft/lbs of torque and the stock 98 had 92ft/lbs.

The bottom line is I didn't dyno my car before the cams were installed so I don't know exactly were I'm starting from. From the research I've done they seem to average around 105-110hp to the wheels. If my motor was in peak condition like the 98 then I have gained about 10hp to the wheels. The important thing here is my car now holds the power later in the RPM band and where any other stock 5s drops off, my car continues to make power, right to redline.

now when I turbo...

Colt Cams:

i forgot my thumb drive, so ill have to go back to get the runfiles to be able to overlay the runs, but just by the numbers, he made 135whp, uncorrected, and ~ 140ftlbs IIRC. he has some printouts that im sure he'll post later tonight when he gets home.

dustin made ~123whp with the webcams, but the powerband is quite diffrent between the 2. the coltcams are definetly smoother, with more overall gains, where the webcams were much peakier, with all the gains coming above 4K rpm. once i get the runfiles, ill be able to illustrate this much better, with more details.
for now, i will add a pic i took while tuning it at the dyno.
it shows 2 runs.
the blue one is when we first got there, without any tuning, the red one is after a handful of runs of playing with the SAFCII.
blue run = 115.16whp, 131.06ftlbs with STD correction.
red run = 128.61whp and 140.17ftlbs with STD correction.



goes to show its definetly worth it to pick up and dyno tune a SAFC or somthing after mods like this..hell, even stock you can probably gain 10-15whp from an SAFC by leaning the fuel curve some.
enjoy zac!

[yfn16]

I believe the colt cams are looking like the better choice from my angle...

[Tigawoods]

reshimming will be alot easier with the colt cams.

webcams doesnt provide helper shims.

[yfn16]

Actually crap. I didn't see the difference in the rpm dropoffs till now. I don't know what I'm doing with my life. lol

[Tigawoods]

i found this when I was searching for those threads.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...mp;#entry957683

[yfn16]

lawlz. Wow... That doesn't make me feel dumb. I don't recall that at all

[ILoveMySilly97]

Actually crap. I didn't see the difference in the rpm dropoffs till now. I don't know what I'm doing with my life. lol

The webcams is better for the high peak if that's what you're looking for. The normal power curve our 5sfe went from max power at 5300rpm to falling sky rocket. To 5700rpm and steadily falling for another 500 more rpm. This cam "fix" our 5sfe problem better than the colt. The colt still has the top end "lag".