6G Celicas Forums

This is a GUIDE not a HOW TO and is a thread in progress. Its going to take me a bit to properly organize this load info into a visually pleasing manor.

If anyone has any input from their own experience post or PM me and I will add the info in! There is alot of info in here and I am sure it will get very convoluted


**Be aware that the ST205 Brake upgrade will require at least a 16" wheels and possibly spacers to adjust the offset and avoid contact between the face of the caliper and the backside of the rim face. **



Torque Specs
Caliper halve bolts (four bolts that hold the caliper halves together)
14-17 ft/lbs *Have an even torque value on each bolt (add a dab of red loctite to the bolts thread ends)

Caliper Seal Part Numbers:

Stephen at GT-FourPlay UK sells a rebuild kit. You can still get the kit lsited below from rock auto but Stephens kit is alot more straight forward and youd be supporting Local (UK) business!
https://www.gt4-play.co.uk/shop/brake-calip...ce-kit?___SID=U

Caliper Re-seal Kits (Centric Brand From Rock Auto)
Front Seals X4 #14344031 (kits are used for the small crossover seals for all 4 calipers/the piston seals in this kit are too large so the rest is unused)
Rear Seals X2 #14342021 (Each Single kit services 2 calipers. These piston seals are used for the front too)
(I need to re-confirm that the rear piston seals fit the front pistons)
This will cover the crossover seals/piston seals/piston boots/piston retaining rings

Caliper Hardware Part Numbers
(Need to add the Pad Pin retaining wire #'s & toyota diagram)

Front pin clips: #04947-14010
Front pad pins: #90240-06019
Front shims: #04945-14110 (EBC pads come with stick on shims)

Rear pin clips: #04948-14010
Rear pad pins: #90240-06017
Rear shims: #04946-14030 (EBC pads come with stick on shims)




Front Hub/Caliper Preparation:
(These part#'s correspond to the McMaster-Carr Catalog. I highly recommend ordering hardware from them: www.mcmaster.com as they have VERY fast shipping and exceptional products)

Caliper Prep:
For the rotor to sit center in the caliper, the mounting tabs on the caliper will need to be shaved a slight bit.
Use a DREMEL and shave 7-8mm off of the mounting tabs. START OFF SMALL and shave say 5mm and check clearances, it is quite possible that with whatever spec rotor you use or just slight differences in hub thicknesses may not require a 7-8mm shave

(keep in mind that if you plan on powdercoating the calipers, that will add 1mm or so on top of the mounting tabs, unless you leave them uncoated.)

Use a Micrometer to make sure that the mounting tab is an even #mm across the entire area you shaved.




Hub Prep:
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The stock hubs are thread-less and will need to be threaded. Below are the specs I prepped my hubs to but also a small description of what Culpable did with his hub. The way I did it requires a bit more drilling, and it is possible to just re-tap the thread-less hub holes rather than drill them out and re-tap. If you drill the hubs you will possibly need to drill out the caliper holes to match. The tap information is listed below.


CULPABLES THREAD (link at bottom of this post):
take the knuckle off the car and thread tap them thread taps are available anywhere, buy matching bolts for the thread you are tapping ( grade 8 bolts please ) use a 1/2 x 20 tap or finer thread. ( the one used on the pictures is 9/16 x 20 but no need to go that big as that will require to drill the hole to make it a little bigger)
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Carbon Steel Hand Tap, 9/16"-18, 4 Flute (I will add the kind of tap wrench that is best for tapping the hubs)
#26035A216


Drill for Tap
33/64
http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/119/2432/=oglxb8
8947A217 - 118 Degree Point High-Speed-Steel Short-Length Drill Bit, Black Oxide, 33/64", 3-7/8" Length Overall - $18.92
(CALIPER HOLES WILL ALSO NEED TO BE RE-DRILLED IF USING THIS SIZE, MAKE SURE TO DRILL TO MATCH THE DIAMETER OF THE BOLT YOU ARE USING TO MOUNT THE CALIPERS, THIS DRILL BIT WILL BE TOO SMALL)

Grade 8 Alloy Steel Hex Head Cap Screw, Zinc Yellow Pltd,9/16"-18 Thrd, 1-1/4"l,fully Thrd
#92620A779


(Large washers are used in between the Front Caliper bolts and Hub and one washer has to be trimmed per axle, I will add their sizes later)

The Brake dust shield will fit and no modification is needed other than pushing it back a bit to avoid contact with the rotor (WITH 300mm Rotor).


Rear Hub Preparation:

I was fortunate enough to get the oem caliper bolts with the calipers in the kit from Culpable. I will get their specs since those are the bolts you will need to mount the caliper, the oem ST204 bolts are too short.

The rear dust shield will need a good amount of trimming (use a small dremel) for the caliper to fit. Its hard to really explain where it will need to be cut exactly, but just hold up the ST205 caliper to its mounting mount and you will be able to judge where it will make contact with the dust shield. Both around the top and bottom mount holes on the hubs will need to be trimmed. (If you plan on powdercoating your calipers make sure to do this before, I scratched my newly powder coated calipers holding them up trying to judge how much more I needed to trim)

When mounting the Rear Calipers, there needs to be a 6mm spacer washer between the caliper holes and mounting bracket.
This will correct and center the caliper to match the lower rotor height of the ST205 disk (The ST205 disk is 6mm smaller than the GT disk). As a temporary solution I used 2 washers (2.5mm thick) per hole that when stacked added up to about 6mm. Washers usually have a thickness tolerance of +/- .3mm so I had to sort through a whole bunch to finally find a combination that added up to the right spec. Anywhere between 5-6mm will work fine but the closer to 6mm the better

The better solution, as discussed with ricochet1490, would be to get a custom made 6mm thick washer.

McMaster sells extra thick high strength steel washers, I am ordering a few to test them out, supposedly the thicknesses of the washers arent consistent but we will see



Rotors:

OEM Celica Dimension Specs


Front:

Be aware of the hub diameters. The OE Celia hub diameter is 54.1. Most of our options for the front will be larger than that.
I personally like to have hubcentric rotors but you can run them lug centric if you dont feel like making a shim, I would advise against that though.

Subaru BRZ/Impreza Rotor
Part Number: Centric 121.47021
PCB - 5x100
Hub Dia - 58
Dia - 292mm
Centric Brand Part Number: 121.47021

(additional info on aftermarket solutions will be added soon thanks playr158 for the find!)

93-99 Toyota Supra NON-Turbo
PCB - 5x114.3 (Must Be Re-Drilled)
Hub Dia-60.1
Dia-296mm / 11.811"

****Most OEM and OEM replacement Supra Non-Turbo rotors have service holes on the face of the hat preventing them from being re-drilled to 5x100, Most aftermarket 2-Piece Rotors do not have these service holes allowing the hats to be re-drilled. Always check before purchasing. THIS MAY NO LONGER BE A VIABLE OPTION****




5x114.3 Conversion Front Rotors
93-99 Toyota Supra NON-Turbo
Supra Hub Dia-60.1
Dia-296mm / 11.811"

Rear:

ST205 Rear Rotors
Hub Dia-54.1
Dia-315mm

I highly recommend EBC Brand through this site
http://www.ebcbrakesdirect.com/ (Fast Int'l Shipping with Tracking code!)
Here you have the option of OEM/SlottedDimpled/Slotted

ENDLESS also makes a Slotted and Blank Rear Disk
Blank Rotor (Single) $176
Slotted Rotor (Single) $225
ENDLESS Rotor PDF

5x114.3 Conversion Rear Rotor
***TBD****

Brake Pads:

Supra MK4 Turbo Pads
I recommend EBC brand pads as they come with black 3M rubberized stick on shims. Do Not use both the stick on rubber shim and the metal Toyota/Other brand shim.
Part#
Front
DP31004C
Rear
DP31005C

Some other brands that have both streetable performance and race performance pads that will fit are

-HAWK Pads
-Carbotech Pads
-Endless Pads

I have only ever used EBC pads so I have never needed Shims from Toyota. I am not sure if other brand pads come with some sort of shim. If they don't you will need to order a set of shims

3M Stick on Shims




Brake Lines:

ST205 Lines

ST204 (GT) Lines

Custom Lines (recommended)


Bleeder Fittings

Speed Bleeder #SB1010
Buy them. They work wonders


Caliper High Temp CELICA Stickers
http://www.ebay.com/usr/uber9
Since the sale is re-listed weekly I cannot provide a direct link. Sreach for "celica" and the results will show up. Be sure to message the seller to specify it is for the ST205 Calipers


Brake Bias Controller
One thing that will be immediately apparent with this swap is a different brake bias than what the GT/ST provided.
The bias wont be the same for every car this swap is done for. There are alot of factors that will effect the ration ever so slightly. Worst case scenario your rear bias will be too much to the point of locking up way before the fronts get a chance too. For DD emergency situations, this may be undesirable.
Combat this will installing a Brake BIAS Controller.
I recommend Tilton as the brand to buy but there are other more budget friendly brands.



Brake Proportioning Info
http://stoptech.com/technical-support/tech...rtioning-valves

Additional Links/Reference Links:
ST205 Brake Upgrade Completed (Culpable04)
ST205 Brakes on a ST (Culpable04)
ST205 Brake Upgrade Completed (Batman722)
Toyota Supra Specifications


End Goal?


This post has been edited by Tigawoods: Dec 6, 2018 - 9:58 AM

The Centric C-TEK Drilled & Slotted Brake Rotors
from 2012 impreza wrx (227.47021R and 227.47021L) seems like a pretty good deal for the front.

from what I've found its 294mm.

What are you using as a 5x100 replacement for st205 front disc besides of impreza?

Im looking on Evo 6 brake discs.
Celica brake discs diameter is 315mm, Evo 6 is 320mm, with proper machine could decrease it to 315mm
Celica brake disc thickness is 32mm max and 30mm min, Evo 6 thickness is 32mm max and 29.8min, so its ok.
Well here comes the problem, hat height of the Celica brake disc is 59mm and the evo 6 is 43,5mm, so a spacer could fix the 11.5mm difference of the height, it should be ok?
Hub bore of the Celica brake disc is 55mm and Evo 6 is 69mm, just need to bored the hun hole to 55, it could be possible?

The best is that 2 front brake discs of evo 6 is just 85,49 on camskill

Thanks to Fate for pointing it out to me, but I made an itsy bitsy large oversight in the swap details, and the step necessary step of shaving off some of the inside of the front caliper like such



Him and I will be looking into the exact thickness it will need to be shaved down to, but it looks like that amount may vary depending on the rotor thickness you will be using.

about 2mm IIRC.
I would love to find out the exact.

reference
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=74140

This post has been edited by Batman722: Jan 22, 2015 - 5:24 PM

I was wondering where that image came from, Fate just handed it to me haha. Im going to add the link to the FP

He was telling me that some have shaved of 5mm+/-

I am going to measure the thickness of mine next week and Fate is going to measure the thickness of the stock bracket so we can get some solid numbers

This post has been edited by Tigawoods: Jan 23, 2015 - 6:59 AM

For the rear brake rotors, I was looking at the WRX (G3) up to 2007, there are some difference from the height, but maybe can do something

DBA 2663 WRX
Specifications
Diameter 290
Height 64
Thickness 18
Min Thickness 16
C/Hole 58
Bolt holes 5 X 100 PCD

CELICA
Vent Vented
Diameter 315
Height 59
Thickness 16
Min Thickness 15
Centre Hole Dia 55
Bolt Holes 5

There are just 5mm of difference on the height and a minor difference on the thicknes. Anyone has tested this?

WRX from 2009 and up, rear brake rotors have a 64mm of height vs 59mm of the Celica ones, maybe there could be an option

Ok. To add more fuel to drama. I have found rotors very close to spec. For the scion frs. I have been looking on phone so i may have missed some stuff.

http://www.fr-sforum.com/forums/targa-newf...920/topics/8058

Some pics to summariZe



It comes as a kit. Wonder if rotors can be sold



This is where i get lost.


It states 299 mm with 32 mm diameter and 5x100.

Wonder if sold separately and if they are centered for the gt4 caliper

Found the disc....

http://counterspacegarage.com/ap-racing-cp...disc-right.html

http://counterspacegarage.com/products/bra...gt86-right.html

^Complete assembly

ORLY??

I l know its pricy investment initially however. More adapt for track...now the question if it fits!!! Lol

That's not a bad price. I spent a lot more on my TRD Front BBK. Wish this would've been around before I bought my set.

so? front gt4 calipers with those counterspace garage rotors and tapping thread on the factory hub and all bolt on?

No,no, no. We dont know the offset specs of those rotors.

The hat looks too tall

I printed the image and while I could not get it to print at scale, I got it very close to, given that is not 100% scale ( yet ) I cant say it with certainty, but it does seem to fit,


but if my calculations were right back then, you should not consider any disc with a height of 55mm or higher, while it will clear everything up to 59 mm height ( I think ) and driving straight; under stress when cornering and high speed suspension flexing, the ball joints will come in contact with the disc. ( of course this will change from setup to set up, ride height suspension mods etc, but when I experienced the issue ( ball joints hitting disc ) I did some more calculations and came up with a safe and very conservative disc height to fix the issue. that's when I upgraded to the Supra NA disc.

This post has been edited by Culpable04: Mar 23, 2015 - 1:44 PM

i have been looking at wilwood hats, and they dont measure in mm, they use hat offset.

the bolt pattern is 5x3.93 thats the closest to 5x100

hat offset i beleive is close would be 0.5 or less, the problem is that there are 2 different ones, with the rotor bolt circle of 8*7.0, and i dont know what the bolt pattern in this rotor is, or would it be compatible with wildwood hats..

looks like there are 8 bolts, but unsure...



http://www.wilwood.com/Hats/HatList.aspx

just search at 5x3.93

Does anyone have the part number for the rear st205 caliper bolts? Or the specs of the bolts so I can buy the right sized bolt?

I cant tell off the top of my head. They should be the same thread pitch as the stock bolts but a few MM longer

Would the supra turbo bolts would be the same? Since its basically the same caliper...

lots of cool info in here guys good work on all parts!
i know daniel added it to the sticky post, but since this is one of the most popular upgrades for the 6gc guys in general, i think it needs to be available right at the top of the forum, with less clicks..lol
facebook age and all..