SWAY BARS, Suspension techniques Options

[edo17982]

Who in this site is using front and rear Suspenion Techniques sway bars? How do you feel them?
I'm asking that cuz I have them in my box but dunno if put them on cuz they are for sure bigger but they feel less strong then stock...
PLZ reply only if ya have direct experience with them! thx

[Coomer]

They're very strong...You can flex the OEM ones just by putting weight on them...I couldn't do that with my Suspension Techniques sway bars.

I like them a lot. My body roll was greatly reduced. The only problem is that they hit the frame a little bit in one spot.

[Consynx]

how do you feel them or how do you install them?
be a lil more specific for those who have 1st person experience

[mikew04]

they might not feel very strong, but the pressure that is put on the sway bars is in a twisting motion... its gonna be hard to decide which is stronger just by putting weight on it

[RedSunCelica]

very stiff my back hurts when im driving long distance with them.

as for the install the only way i saw it was going to fit was by removing the gas tank a little. so i decided to take it to a shop and let them deal with it.with both front and rear installed the car rides stiff now with the other suspensions goodies i have on there already. if you live in a place with tiht curvy roads and long sweepers youll love them if you live in a city with crappy roads full of pop holes your going to hate it.

[shadycrew31]

im gonna get mine tonight i dunno when im gonna install but im gonna uy them!!! wait wait which is better front or rear i can only do either or this week 2 weeks ill get the othewr. (drunk post)

[Junior]

Save up for both. If you do one and not the other you'll create oversteer or understeer, unless thats what you want.

[RedSunCelica]

im gonna get mine tonight i dunno when im gonna install but im gonna uy them!!! wait wait which is better front or rear i can only do either or this week 2 weeks ill get the othewr.  (drunk post)
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dude. everytime your on this message board your drunk hahahaha. if you can only get one get the front. thats my recommendation.

[trdevelopment]

very stiff my back hurts when im driving long distance with them.

as for the install the only way i saw it was going to fit was by removing the gas tank a little. so i decided to take it to a shop and let them deal with it.with both front and rear installed the car rides stiff now with the other suspensions goodies i have on there already. if you live in a place with tiht curvy roads and long sweepers youll love them if you live  in a city with crappy roads full of pop holes your going to hate it.
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hold on the sway bars make the car more stiff? man my car is already stiff as it is with ground control coilovers... does eveyone else feel the same way?

[jgreening]

the sway bars did not make my ride any more "harsh" although the springs and struts do that. I concur with Coomer's post. I still haven't fixed my front sway bar where it rubs on the frame. I plan on trying some things soon. Jeremy says that it can be fixed by bending some of the undercarriage up. This should only be a problem if you have a lowered car. All in all, very worth it if you can avoid the rubbing.

[Supersprynt]

How bad is the rubbing? Can you hear it in side the car?

I just ordered mine last night ( xmas present )

[jgreening]

It hits when accellerating from a stop and rubs when cornering hard. Under normal driving you don't notice it but under spirited driving you do. I will put my stocker back on if I can't fix it. Its annoying as hell. When I was contemplating selling the car, I almost put the stocker on without seeing if the ST could be fixed as I knew it wouldn't sell the car with that noise.

This post has been edited by jgreening: Dec 13, 2004 - 3:04 PM

[Coomer]

Yes, it's a horrible metal rubbing metal noise...you can hear it inside the car and it sucks. Everyone always says "Umm...that doesn't sound good." or "What's that noise? Is your car broken?"

When I replace my front bushings I'm going to pound the little area where it hits(it's not actually the frame, just the bottom part of the car) with something to make it bend just enough so that they don't rub.

Speaking of replacing bushings, how should I lubricate them prior to putting them in?

[Supersprynt]

Probably with just any old auto grease - or a anti-seize.

When I install the bars I'll look into fixing that and pass it on.

[Digndoug]

HaHa, That sucks. My cai does that every nice bump i hit. it sucks, every one thinks my car is falling apart cause i always am taking it apart and working on crap.

Would you guys say it was worth the $250 ?? Like if u did it again, would u?

[mikew04]

Since sway bars push the inside suspension up when cornering to keep the car flat, would stiffer springs reduce the effect?

[Coomer]

Would you guys say it was worth the $250 ?? Like if u did it again, would u?
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I would, but I'd install them myself and pound the underbody in a bit while I was doing the install.

[Drocay]

does it rub on the left side or right so i'll know were to pound out.

[Digndoug]

does it rub on the left side or right so i'll know were to pound out.
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haha good call.

[Coomer]

does it rub on the left side or right so i'll know were to pound out.
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Left side I believe...Maybe this weekend I'll instally my new bushings and take a photo of the rubbed area for you guys...I can tell where it rubbed because there's no more paint there...so I'll spray it with some industrial grade rust-proof coating and then spray it with underbody coating too.

[jgreening]

I would really appreciate those pics Coom. I have been under my car a couple times and have a really difficult time telling where it is rubbing. It sounds as if mine is coming from the front passenger side though.

[Coomer]

I would really appreciate those pics Coom.  I have been under my car a couple times and have a really difficult time telling where it is rubbing.  It sounds as if mine is coming from the front passenger side though.
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I'll see what I can do. I think I'm pretty busy this weekend and next, but maybe during my break from work between Christmas and New Years I can get stuff done.

[Supersprynt]

wouldntn you be able to see where its rubbing as the color is rubbed off?

[Coomer]

wouldntn you be able to see where its rubbing as the color is rubbed off?
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I sure can. Maybe jgreening's doesn't rub as bad as mine does.

[Supersprynt]

I get mine in 9 days so we'll see what happens.

[latinomasfino]

I get mine in 9 days so we'll see what happens.
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where did u order ur sway bars? and how much$

[jgreening]

wouldntn you be able to see where its rubbing as the color is rubbed off?

It is VERY difficult to see up there. I had the car up on stands and with the lowered suspension there wasn't much room to look "above" the bar to see where it was hitting the underside of the car. From Coom's post I assume that the top of the sway bar is hitting the underside of the car when it goes above the underbrace. This is where I suspect mine is hitting as well and there really isnt enough room to see well. Also, the bar is silver unlike the stock black. The underside of the car is a similar color and not painted so its hard to tell.

where did u order ur sway bars? and how much$

I got mine from NOPI

[Supersprynt]

I also got mine at Nopi.

[zipstrips]

the sway bars affect the body roll and weight transfer. they'll make the steering feel much more responsive.. install only the front and you will understeer, just the rear and you will see your car oversteer more. ST recommends installing both, together. installing only the front or rear is "dangerous." i only got my front install cause i didnt feel like pulling the tank yet. understeer much? no, but if i was on the solo2 course im sure id be pushing and spinning tires much more than necessary. installing the real will clear that problem up thou. Clearence issuse? i have had no added rubbing touching or noise from my front.

[jgreening]

Coom:

Did you ever take those pics? Just curious...

Jay.

[Supersprynt]

You have to pull the tank to install the rears? Can anyone else confirm this?

[Drocay]

You have to pull the tank to install the rears? Can anyone else confirm this?
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yea, seriously i don't like the sound of that.

[S_C_M]

You have to pull the tank to install the rears? Can anyone else confirm this?
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You don't have to pull it so much as remove the tank retention bands and move it. It's slightly a PITA, but overall not too bad. I had access to a lift when I did mine; I just propped the tank with a transmission jack and maneuvered the bar into place.

I only have the ST rear bar, and I would not say that the car is "dangerous." With the bar on the least firm setting it's actually pretty neutral with my setup.

[Jeremy1210]

Ok, the front on the ST rubs on the left side right after it bends up. When you jack your car up you should be able to tell that it is a lot closer to the underbody than the right. That is where you need to pound hte area. I didn't take off my sway barm I just used a pry bar and a hammer to move it. It wasn't easy with no real room to get a great swing.

As for lubing up the bushing. I recommend using lithium grease for marine vessels. This stuff is water proof and lasts forever it seems. I also greased up where the car was rubbing to help out.

If someone wants pics still let me know cause I gotta change my oil soon

Jeremy

[Supersprynt]

Hey shoot me some pics - thanks.

[trdevelopment]

id also be interested.

[Jeremy1210]

ok. I will try to do it this weekend.

Jeremy

[jgreening]

id also be interested.

Please post the pics Jeremy. If you can't, I would like to get them too.

Jay.

[Drocay]

id also be interested.

Please post the pics Jeremy. If you can't, I would like to get them too.

Jay.
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same here bro, i would like some pics as well.

[jgreening]

I finally had a chance to get under the car and address this issue. Here is a pretty dark picture of the problem:



As you can see, the middle part of the sway bar sticks up to clear the subframe. Unfortunately, it goes up TOO FAR! The clearance with no load on the car is about 1/4 of an inch. With a load, its right next to it. Any body lean or up and down motion under torque and its hitting the undercarriage.

Above the sway bar is the undercarriage of the car. Before I did anything to it, the undercarriage was already significantly bent up from the sway bar hitting it on corners or under torque. I used a prybar (as a tool to hit - I would not recommend prying the sway bar apart from the undercarriage) and a hammer to give it greater clearance but it will only move so much. I probably got an extra 1/8" to 1/4". I haven't driven on it yet, but I am not optimistic. I am going to contact Suspension Techniques and see if they have an easier fix if this didn't work.

[Supersprynt]

Dude, September 12, 1961? Time to program ur digital.

Thanks for the pic but damn its blurry.

[Digndoug]

So I dont get it, if it rubs against it no matter what u do, why both getting it, or its only before u pound on that peace?

[redGT]

Any updates on the clearance issues? Also, those with the rubbing: How far is your car lowered compared to stock?

[jgreening]

I originally thought the car being lowered was part of the problem but I don't think so anymore. I think its a design issue with the sway bars. The sway bars attach by a U shaped clip to the top side of lower members on the each side of the car. From there, the sway bar bends upwards and over the lower cross member that spans the width of the car. IMO, it seems as they simply travel to far up under the car and end up hitting the undercarriage. This "middle" section should simply be designed a little lower so that the bar would travel right inbetween the lower cross member and the undercarriage - but it doesn't. Both spedtoe and Jeremy had luck simply bending the undercarriage upward. I have not had as good of luck yet.

[redGT]

Viewing the pics in Jeremy's profile, it does seem to be a design issue if his car is not lowered. I'll have to do some more research before spending the money. What other brands besides the ST bars are available for the celica? I had an ST rear bar on my eclipse before junking it in favor of some thick-a$$ bars (front and rear) made by RMDSM. The Suspension Techniques bars IMO really aren't agressive enough for serious drivers.

[Supersprynt]

What if spacers were put above the u-clips, lowering them a bit?

[jgreening]

the u-clips sit upsidedown on the top side of the cross member. Putting spacers there would make the problem worse.

[Jeremy1210]

Heres an Idea for you guys that have lowered the car or are still having rubbing issues. I recently redid the grease on the spot where i bent the car, but before i put grease on, I had some extra really sticky dynamat(the kind with the silver backing and really sticky black stuff. I put that on and smooshed the hell outta it and the lubed it up. This might help with the noise. I did it for 1 reason, I accidentally put a hole in my undercarriage, so I used it to cover it.

This is just an idea, but I think it might help out. If one of you want to try it without buying it, I'll send you a piece or 2 to give it a shot.

Oh and trust me on the Marine Grease. It works wonders

Jeremy

[Supersprynt]

the u-clips sit upsidedown on the top side of the cross member.  Putting spacers there would make the problem worse.
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Gotcha, so has anybody contacted Susp. Tech. bout this? Perhaps we can get a response if a few of us write to them.

Or how bout using a different bushing?

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Feb 9, 2005 - 2:17 PM

[jgreening]

the u-clips sit upsidedown on the top side of the cross member.  Putting spacers there would make the problem worse.
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Gotcha, so has anybody contacted Susp. Tech. bout this? Perhaps we can get a response if a few of us write to them.

Or how bout using a different bushing?
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I contacted them. They said the would pull in a celica and verify there is a problem. If they determine that there is, they have promised to address it. Although the representative appeared very genuine, I am not sure how long this might take. I contacted them about 10 days ago. No follow-up yet.

How would using a different bushing help?

This post has been edited by jgreening: Feb 9, 2005 - 3:57 PM

[JB1981]

I've got these bars on my 95 GT hatch. No rubbing issues, the car handles great and no noise when cornering. BUT. the thing makes the worst squeeking noises when going over bumps and bad pavement. I've lubed up the new bushings several times, no difference. Anyone else have a squeek problem rather than a metal on metal problem.

JB

[Digndoug]

I've got these bars on my 95 GT hatch.  No rubbing issues, the car handles great and no noise when cornering.  BUT.  the thing makes the worst squeeking noises when going over bumps and bad pavement.  I've lubed up the new bushings several times, no difference.  Anyone else have a squeek problem rather than a metal on metal problem.

JB
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way to bring up dead posts.. lol..

It was a bad design, and yeah your saposed to lube up a lot. They fixed the design now..

[JB1981]

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This post has been edited by JB1981: Oct 26, 2005 - 4:31 PM

[snapshotgt]

I've got these bars on my 95 GT hatch.  No rubbing issues, the car handles great and no noise when cornering.  BUT.  the thing makes the worst squeeking noises when going over bumps and bad pavement.  I've lubed up the new bushings several times, no difference.  Anyone else have a squeek problem rather than a metal on metal problem.

JB
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way to bring up dead posts.. lol..

It was a bad design, and yeah your saposed to lube up a lot. They fixed the design now..
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haha, i am bringing up a almost dead posting...hahaha ...they fixed the problem?...where do i get them (plzz attach a link:))

--for bang-for-the-buck-...should i get sway bars or strut bars?...i want to handle this baby like mad...i want some real stuff on a winding road...hehe (will stiffening up the suspention kill me on road trips?)

thanks for you responses-

-snapshotgt

[stephen_lee]

BUMP! sway bars or sturt bars for first suspension mod. which does more for handling??

[GTS13]

BUMP! sway bars or sturt bars for first suspension mod. which does more for handling??

Sways for sure.
Strut bars just prevent chassis twist whereas sways prevent body roll.

[SteveHall]

I've been doing some research into sway bars and have some questions:
1) Considering the Front engine, FWD, long celica will understeer (Unless you ahve made other mods) why does the front sway bar seem more popular than the rear, which should balance the over - understeer, and possibly get oversteer (good!).
2) I'm fairly sure about this, but could someone confirm that the rear strut bar doesn't have problems with knocking into the underbody.

3) I havn't put much thought / resarch into this yet, but how about a rear strut bar to get the car closer to oversteer, and a front strut bar to sharpen up the steering?

[HaRv3sTeR]

I've been doing some research into sway bars and have some questions:
1) Considering the Front engine, FWD, long celica will understeer (Unless you ahve made other mods) why does the front sway bar seem more popular than the rear, which should balance the over - understeer, and possibly get oversteer (good!).
2) I'm fairly sure about this, but could someone confirm that the rear strut bar doesn't have problems with knocking into the underbody.

3) I havn't put much thought / resarch into this yet, but how about a rear strut bar to get the car closer to oversteer, and a front strut bar to sharpen up the steering?

I also have the same #2 question....im interested into buying F/R ST sways..but i want to be sure im not buying the 'old' model which was knocking...was it the front or rear that had that issue anyway?

How do we know that we're buying the 'good' model?

This post has been edited by HaRv3sTeR: Nov 21, 2007 - 8:42 AM

[thespacepanda]

Bump cuz I'm thinking of getting a set and I'd really like to know

[airfron]

The old versions of ST sways are out of production so the company that you purchase the sway bars from will have to tell you when they got them or if they know what version they have. The front was the one that had issues with rubbing. the rear has no problems whatsoever as i have had none and the sway bar i recieved was an older version

[BonzaiCelica]

So All of you guys that have Suspension Techniques fron and rear anti-sway bars think its worth it for the money you paid for it. You guys say that it rubs alot against the frame why does the manufactures that make the anti-sway bars that way they don't test them out or something?? Would you guys consider getting front and rear strut bar towers instead??? Im really curious to know? THX

[HaRv3sTeR]

i think the rubbing model was a older model and ST upgraded it when the issue was reported to them....the new model shouldnt rub...someone correct me if im wrong

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

do none of you people run whiteline sway bars?

very very popular in aus and the uk (australian company).
they make fixed and adjustable units for all fwd/awd celicas, the fixed unit is the equivalent of the adjustable one on the medium setting.

Ive got mine adjustable one on meduim, but only because on hard it was ripping the mounts off the suspension strut on one side and im sick of re welding it on, no dramas on meduim.

sway bar first, then get the cusco underbody brace, makes a mc massive diff, stiffens the chassis **** loads.

consider getting the front and rear strut tower bars

price for the fixed rear is around $200 aus (so near $200 us with the exchange rate as it is atm) adjustable is around $220.

dont make a front one for the 6th gens as far as im aware (they do for 5th and 7th).
rears bring in a more neutral handling and even introduce a bit of oversteer, worth your while

[Galcobar]

There's wanting something, and then there's finding it in your marketplace.

[BonzaiCelica]

They're very strong...You can flex the OEM ones just by putting weight on them...I couldn't do that with my Suspension Techniques sway bars.

I like them a lot. My body roll was greatly reduced. The only problem is that they hit the frame a little bit in one spot.

Hey would you conisider this to be the cheapest mod in improving the body roll of the car by alot.
or should i get strut tower bars instead.

Is that true that they hit the frame a little are the suspension techniques front and rear sway bars the same size as the stock ones?

[99Celica]

so I'm able to obtain a set of these for cheap, but i'm pretty sure they're the 1st gen ones as they are atleast 4 years old. How hard was it to "bend" them to stop the rubbing? Would doing this change any of the performance gained?

[Stambo]

these help alot more than just strut tower bars.

[Tigawoods]

dont try to bend or reform the sway bars at all. just save the extra however much $ and get new ones. it is worth it, and your wouldnt be changing the structure of the bar. which would probably result in a reduction of performance. the bar was made that way especially for our cars, changing that would be bad.

the sus tec bars are much thicker than stock's. like it has been said before the recalled old generation sway bars did rub. all that is available now is the V2. so if you get them new you are safe

and i too agree that you see more of a difference when adding sway bars (particularly the front) rather than the strut mounts

[Remy]

Any updates on this ?? I wanna see some pictures !!

[jimmykay]

I am looking at getting some swaybars and it seems like I found a good price, but is this a decent site to get them from?

http://www.modacar.com/products/Toyota/Cel...niques+Ant.html

[808celica]

dont try to bend or reform the sway bars at all. just save the extra however much $ and get new ones. it is worth it, and your wouldnt be changing the structure of the bar. which would probably result in a reduction of performance. the bar was made that way especially for our cars, changing that would be bad.

the sus tec bars are much thicker than stock's. like it has been said before the recalled old generation sway bars did rub. all that is available now is the V2. so if you get them new you are safe

and i too agree that you see more of a difference when adding sway bars (particularly the front) rather than the strut mounts

Dont forget to buy Twosrus endlinks

[BonzaiCelica]

thats a good price. I paid $314 total for mine from advancespeedshop.com That was with $20 shipping 5-7 business days and $22 of tax.

Thats the cheapest price you'll find online. Mine retailed at $271. So your getting a good price.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Mar 3, 2009 - 8:11 PM

[jimmykay]

ok, email sent to them to make sure that nothing is missing.

[jimmykay]

update: they emailed back

Hello



It is their complete kit front and rear bar plus hardware kit. Price does not include shipping.



Regards

Now I just need to talk myself into getting them.

[rj8807]

do none of you people run whiteline sway bars?

very very popular in aus and the uk (australian company).
they make fixed and adjustable units for all fwd/awd celicas, the fixed unit is the equivalent of the adjustable one on the medium setting.

Ive got mine adjustable one on meduim, but only because on hard it was ripping the mounts off the suspension strut on one side and im sick of re welding it on, no dramas on meduim.

sway bar first, then get the cusco underbody brace, makes a mc massive diff, stiffens the chassis **** loads.

consider getting the front and rear strut tower bars

price for the fixed rear is around $200 aus (so near $200 us with the exchange rate as it is atm) adjustable is around $220.

dont make a front one for the 6th gens as far as im aware (they do for 5th and 7th).
rears bring in a more neutral handling and even introduce a bit of oversteer, worth your while

do you have a direct link to the info on the adjustable rear sway bar? and do they also make the front and rear tower bars your talking about?

[94_CGT]

I am looking at getting some swaybars and it seems like I found a good price, but is this a decent site to get them from?

http://www.modacar.com/products/Toyota/Cel...niques+Ant.html

what is the diffrence between jimmykay's link and mine?

http://www.weaksauceparts.com/store/produc...2511&page=1

[02bluerolla]

I am looking at getting some swaybars and it seems like I found a good price, but is this a decent site to get them from?

http://www.modacar.com/products/Toyota/Cel...niques+Ant.html

what is the diffrence between jimmykay's link and mine?

http://www.weaksauceparts.com/store/produc...2511&page=1

well i n jimmykay's link it looks like they are selling the first version , and both front and rear sway bar.
on your link it looks likes the second version and only the rear sway bar.

[BonzaiCelica]

Hi Everybody. So ive had my st sway bars far almost a year now. and they are fantastic (life savers) So some people were mentioning how the adjustability of the rear swar bar works. The pic shows the sway bar link on the stiffest setting of the rear sway bar, which is the holes closest to the middle of the sway bar. (i have had this setting since i installed my suspension set up back in july).

So today i decided to change the setting to the holes on the end of the sway bar, to see if i would notice any difference in handling. The difference like from day to night. With the car at the softer setting, the car understeers and handling feels sloppy. Hmm who would of that it would have made that much of a difference. When swerving back and forth i feel as if i can not control the car as much. I took a right hand turn pretty quickly and i could hear the front left tire squealing from the understeer. this did not happen when i had the it at the stiffer setting.

I only test drove it for a little. also did a swerve from one lane to the other and i notice the understeer as well.

on the stiffer setting there is more of a nuetral feel to the car with out any understeer. i have yet to take an on ramp onto a freeway to see how it feels with the softer setting. so ill get back to you guys on that.



This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 25, 2013 - 4:26 AM

[Remy]

The holes closer to the end of the bar can be used if you want more oversteer, but if you don't want as much oversteer, use the inside holes that are closer to the middle of the bar.

Thats the quote in the "How To" section which is right ?? lol

[BonzaiCelica]

haha woops i missed that. oh well im just adding more information of how the different setting react to the cars handling. I'm the first to elaborate in detail how it feels from the different rear sway bar settings. but ya thanks for pointing that out missed that.

btw update your pics on your profile pics. it says you have 96 + bumper with sideskirts and those pics you have are of your old set up.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jun 8, 2009 - 11:38 PM

[azian_advanced]

The holes closer to the end of the bar can be used if you want more oversteer, but if you don't want as much oversteer, use the inside holes that are closer to the middle of the bar.

isn't it the other way around? holes closer to the end should be the softest setting and provide more understeer, where as the holes further from the end provides a stiffer setting and give more oversteer.

[jimmykay]

no, its a leverage thing. by decreasing the length of the sway bar, it can effectively transmit more torsional force. making it a stiffer ride. Since our cars love the understeer, it would make sense to go with the closest holes to attempt to counter this.

*Edited for correctness

This post has been edited by jimmykay: Jun 9, 2009 - 9:31 AM

[Euphoria]

not necessarily, you don't want too much oversteer with a front wheel drive as it can't be that easy to control, and you don't want to be on an open road where dry lifting off creates oversteer, imagine that in the wet.

[jimmykay]

on the stiffer setting there is more of a nuetral feel to the car with out any understeer.

this is what I was getting at. not necessarily creating oversteer, just countering the existing understeer.

Also, after looking at Bonzai's post again, I think i'm completely backwards on this. I'll edit my above post to avoid confusion.

[BonzaiCelica]

ok guys i think your getting all confused. what azain advanced said was correct. And that was the same thing that i was saying. So to clerify things :

-The picture that i posted that is the setting that you want to keep it on. The stiffer setting will create a nuetral feel to the cars handling with a slight bit of oversteer, you can bairly feel the oversteer.

-holes at the end of the sway bar (softer setting will create understeer) like i described in my post.

don't even bother with putting the sway bar links at the softer setting it will create understeer

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jun 9, 2009 - 12:58 PM

[Remy]

haha woops i missed that. oh well im just adding more information of how the different setting react to the cars handling. I'm the first to elaborate in detail how it feels from the different rear sway bar settings. but ya thanks for pointing that out missed that.

btw update your pics on your profile pics. it says you have 96 + bumper with sideskirts and those pics you have are of your old set up.

I posted what I read in the "how to" section I have my sway bars off right now they're getting repainted I'll post up pics with my twosrus endlinks when its done.

[BonzaiCelica]

I measured the front sway bars at 24mm and the rear sway bar at 22mm is that the correct thickness for them???

[whatthe]

^ as in stock? if you mean stock that would be wrong, but if its Suspension techniques i think your right.

[BonzaiCelica]

^ as in stock? if you mean stock that would be wrong, but if its Suspension techniques i think your right.

yes thats what I mean I measured my Suspension Technique Sway Bars last night and thats the measurement I got. I just wanted confirmation from another member

[SleekCelica]

Someone was trying to tell me that I should get the rear sway bar, and it should at least be 28- 34 mm thick. You guys know these cars, what is optimal for autox'ing?

[Euphoria]

lol thats pretty fkn thick, heavier muscle cars and supras etc tend to have pretty thick aftermarket sway bars but for our cars I know whiteline have 20mm for rear but anymore than 24mm would be pointless.

[BonzaiCelica]

Suspension Technique sway bars :

Front = 24mm
Rear = 22mm

[SleekCelica]

Gotcha. Thanks!

[BonzaiCelica]

such a pitty that the only company C-One that makes an aftermarket sway bar for the SuperStrut Suspension only make them in 18mm. it should be thicker right?!

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 25, 2011 - 11:57 PM

[TRDGT4]

Has anyone use the C-One sway bars I was thinking of getting a set for the GT4

[Rusty]

GT-FOURpl is the only one I've actually seen with one (though he's just got the car running again I think)

[Euphoria]

brands just for bragging rights, 19mm is plenty thick for the rear if its adjustable and/or you have shorter/stiffer end links, remember that size isn't the most important thing, the difference between soft setting and hard setting is ALOT.

I have a 20mm at the rear on hard setting and a stock 20mm at the front and you can definitely feel the oversteer, it almost feels as if its in need of a thicker one at the front on hard as it feels it rolls too much up front.

Also, even if it is a badly made sway bar Id say it would snap off where the end link bolts up before the sway bar would snap but that would be pretty extreme.

This post has been edited by Euphoria: Oct 8, 2010 - 7:49 AM

[BonzaiCelica]

Front Sway Bar from C-One is only 18mm. I'm saying its small because if you compare it to the suspension technique front sway bar at 24mm and an aftermarket sway bar for the Integra Type R at 25mm its considerably smaller wouldn't you say

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 25, 2011 - 11:57 PM

[azian_advanced]

you can't really compare sway bars by their thicknesses alone..
if anyone is really curious and willing to ask these companies and find out what type of metal is used in making these sway bars, i can find out which one is better.

[whatthe]

^ Thats right. What metal they use and if its hollow or filled.