4AGZE Swap into a 6th Gen Celica Options

[Dr_Tweak]

Tuesday, July 25th, 4pm to 12am

Engine resealed with new timing belt, ready to go. In the background, the victim waits...



AHHHH! It's the black Celica of DEATH!!!



Remember kids, when swapping to a 4AGZE engine, you'll need the backing plate off the 7AFE engine. A new rear main seal is a must too!



New SPEC clutch installed and the tranny swapped over from the Celica. Yes, I know it's ugly, but around here we make things that go fast, not things that are pretty



This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Jul 26, 2006 - 8:58 AM

[jgreening]

It will be nice to see this swap completed. I have a feeling that, where others have failed, the doctor will prevail. Best of luck.

[jdg371]

mr2 gze or rolla gze?

nvm mr2 gze lol

[brianforster]

i agree jay im really excited to see this swap happen

[Mynzeyes]

it's already been completed. both using the better, higher-rated GZE out of the AE101, and using the proper transmission, instead of the 7AFE tranny.

i'm still pissed about mike and his slapdash wiring, but oh well. .

This post has been edited by Mynzeyes: Jul 26, 2006 - 3:56 PM

[jdg371]

was it cost efficient? how much hp did the dyno put out?

[Mynzeyes]

was it cost efficient? how much hp did the dyno put out?

i don't believe it's been dyno'd yet.

[jdg371]

If they used the newer GZE. those are rated at what? 165?

I should just do that instead of a V6.. All I want is 200-220whp

[Mynzeyes]

If they used the newer GZE. those are rated at what? 165?

I should just do that instead of a V6.. All I want is 200-220whp

4AGZE + crank pulley + fuel and air intake mods + exhaust + effecient FMIC + some A/F/etc controller = your goal. and, if all else fails, there is a larger supercharger out there that you can always upgrade to. . or, remove the SC, and turbo it. that motor has many directions to go. twin-charging was an option, and still is, but the HKS kit that used to be made is probably nowhere out there anymore (even used). and fabbing your own, you'll have to do insane amounts of research.

[hurley97]

t's already been completed. both using the better, higher-rated GZE out of the AE101, and using the proper transmission, instead of the 7AFE tranny.

whats the downside to leaving the 7A tranny?

[Mynzeyes]

t's already been completed. both using the better, higher-rated GZE out of the AE101, and using the proper transmission, instead of the 7AFE tranny.

whats the downside to leaving the 7A tranny?

It's just not as beefy and able to handle the extra power. plus the axles are about half the diameter. and some of the transmissions out of the AE101 are LSD. only downside is that the driver's side (of mine at least) axle had to be lengthened by about 2 inches.

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

lol the motor is looking kinda rusty... lol i wouldnt wana pop the hood with that in my car!

lol but the good thing is that people can look at ur engine and be like whatever, than u can show them what an old engine can do lol

[jgreening]

it's already been completed. both using the better, higher-rated GZE out of the AE101, and using the proper transmission, instead of the 7AFE tranny.

i'm still pissed about mike and his slapdash wiring, but oh well. .

running? I must have missed that... Can you point me to a thread?

[brianforster]

sure are some haters floating around 6gc lately..

btw you wont be able to see most of that with the engine in the bay.. also a painted exhaust heat shield and valve cover would do wonders for that engine.

[jdg371]

hmm.. I was thinking more of a rebuild, some head job, 20 over, SC14 s/c (Previa SC) and everythign that you said.. lol

I like the SC more.. better for auto.. unless the turbo spools very quick

[Mynzeyes]

i don't even know if he posted. FAQdaWorld. he keeps everything low key?

and who's the haters? hopefully not me, i'm just stating it's already been done, bc i don't think many people know it has.

[brianforster]

well you posted kind of like "its been done and been done better" and that was a bit hating and the people saying the engine is ugly.. im just sayin.. this is a rare swap and we know tweak will do a good job, lets not clutter the thread up with heresay and cosmetic opinions

[Mynzeyes]

well you posted kind of like "its been done and been done better" and that was a bit hating and the people saying the engine is ugly.. im just sayin.. this is a rare swap and we know tweak will do a good job, lets not clutter the thread up with heresay and cosmetic opinions

well, it wasn't meant to be hateful or w/e. just saying, it's been done, and more "in full". people talk like it's impossible, and tweak is the only one capable. i don't mean any disrespect to anyone, so don't think that. it's all good though. it'll be nice to see another. i think there may be a 2nd somewhere, but i don't know if it ever got finished...

[95CelicaST]

Is that a MR2 GZE? I didn't know the MR2 came with DLI. I think that is an AE92 GZE.

[Dr_Tweak]

well you posted kind of like "its been done and been done better" and that was a bit hating and the people saying the engine is ugly.. im just sayin.. this is a rare swap and we know tweak will do a good job, lets not clutter the thread up with heresay and cosmetic opinions

I'm just going to stop posting my stuff up. Pretty much every thread I've started recently has been hated on.

Answers to questions: My understanding has been that the only car the MAP/DLI version of the 4AGZE came in was the AE101, and this is the MAP/DLI version. I'm pretty sure that the AE92 had only the AFM version.

As for the transmission, the C52 tranny has been used in almost every Corolla swap that I can think of, and it's a very rugged transmission. I've never once heard of a 4AGZE breaking one. Considering the simplicity of swapping it over instead of making the E58 work, it's a very logical choice.

Also I've cleaned the engine up quite a bit and it looks a lot better now.

-Doc

[zipstrips]

well you posted kind of like "its been done and been done better" and that was a bit hating and the people saying the engine is ugly.. im just sayin.. this is a rare swap and we know tweak will do a good job, lets not clutter the thread up with heresay and cosmetic opinions

I'm just going to stop posting my stuff up. Pretty much every thread I've started recently has been hated on.

-Doc

i hope to see you at least keep your website up to date, i enjoy reading about your progress on the projects. you seem to work very aggressively. forget the negitive members, there all jelous of your work and knowledge.

[Fastbird]

Dang Doc, you got right to work on that thing didn't ya?

Whoever's car that is, it's beautiful. I tried not to leave fingerprints while poking around it at Doc's shop. It's just soooooo clean.

[celi_gt_racer]

i want more pics! i think this swap will b awesome when it's done- i remember seein a vid of FAQdaworld's boost gauge after his swap and it was sooooo sweet - looked like a lil mini tach...jumpin w/ the revs on the motor - MORE PICSSS

[Dr_Tweak]

i want more pics! i think this swap will b awesome when it's done- i remember seein a vid of FAQdaworld's boost gauge after his swap and it was sooooo sweet - looked like a lil mini tach...jumpin w/ the revs on the motor - MORE PICSSS

Really? I didn't know that he finally got his put together!

I'll put some more pics up tomorrow.

-Doc

[Dickster223]

Thanks Doc. Lets keep up the hard work. LOL I cant wait to get it back after seeing the pics.
FastBird congrats on the 3sgte swap and thanks for not leaving to many finger prints on my car.
Thanks for all the good comments and for the one who seems to hate it nice " Home Made Intake"LOL
For all the nonhaters keep your fingers crossed that she will start right up.

Thanks again Tweak

Richard

[Mynzeyes]

i want more pics! i think this swap will b awesome when it's done- i remember seein a vid of FAQdaworld's boost gauge after his swap and it was sooooo sweet - looked like a lil mini tach...jumpin w/ the revs on the motor - MORE PICSSS

Really? I didn't know that he finally got his put together!

I'll put some more pics up tomorrow.

-Doc

Yeah, Ryan(FAQ) is the one I was speaking of in a previous post. Again, didn't mean disrespect, just repping to everyone else it's been done. I still don't know if his is 100%, but I think that's bc of the body work he's doing.

[Dr_Tweak]

July 26th, 9am to 12pm, 8pm to 12am

Wiring...





July 27th, 9am to 5 pm

Installing the harness onto the engine...



Ready to go in.




July 28th, 9am to whenever I quit tonight

Today I spent most of the day running around getting a custom power steering hose made, custom a/c lines set up, and getting any parts I needed.

With the lift, installing the engine through the bottom is a cinch.



Two more Celicas are in line. The 6th gen is getting a 3SGTE and the 5th gen is getting a 3SGE BEAMS.



Installing the engine...





This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Jul 28, 2006 - 8:39 PM

[jess_i_74]

Dang Tweak, nice work. The black Celicas are all lining up to get the go-go treatment. Every time I see one of those wiring harnesses, I think "Better him than me; that looks like a PITA."

Nice.

[zipstrips]

i 2nd that, i still have to make sure my A/C works so i know the wireing is right. other than that its all good so far.

[jdg371]

what type of intercooler setup will it get?

Also how much a the harness cost for.. late model GZE to a 97 ST

[Dr_Tweak]

It's getting a front-mount intercooler.

I'd charge $400 for that conversion, it's a bit more of a pain in butt than most harnesses.

i 2nd that, i still have to make sure my A/C works so i know the wireing is right. other than that its all good so far.

Did I do your harness?

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Update, I just cranked up the engine and it started right up on the first try! VROOOM!!!!

[jgreening]

Update, I just cranked up the engine and it started right up on the first try! VROOOM!!!!

Very cool.

[Fastbird]

The man wastes no time!! Rock on Doc.

[presure2]

good job man, looks like your getting better and better at these swaps!

[H8DC3lica94]

I cant bowdown enough!

Please Dr. TweaK! get mine working!
I should fly you out here and get my damn thing to work. Or tow my car there.
which ever is cheaper...

its been so long since ive been on this forum. to tell the truth i hate going here cuz my car just sits there and dont get any work done.

[Dr_Tweak]

Actually you should just ship it over here, it's not all that expensive.

-Doc

[creamed_corn]

Actually you should just ship it over here, it's not all that expensive.

-Doc

It must be really nice to have such passion about what you do... or am I assuming too much? It looks like you really enjoy your work.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Doc Tweak r0x0rs my b0x0rz.


Great job with all these swaps, I really admire the work you've done and you continue to 1-up yourself each time. Keep it up!!

[Dr_Tweak]

Thanks for the nice comments everyone. I have some more pics that I haven't uploaded yet, I'll add them tomorrow. I've road tested the car and it runs great! I just needs to go to the exhaust shop and get a couple of custom a/c lines installed.

Actually you should just ship it over here, it's not all that expensive.

-Doc

It must be really nice to have such passion about what you do... or am I assuming too much? It looks like you really enjoy your work.

No you're pretty much right, I actually loose sight of that from too much stress, which is a mistake. I DID get into this because I love doing swaps and tuning engines, and sometimes I forget that!

In fact, that's probably 1/2 the reason I post this stuff up, because showing my work and getting feedback on it often inspires me to keep it up.

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Jul 30, 2006 - 10:03 AM

[rzanology]

well you posted kind of like "its been done and been done better" and that was a bit hating and the people saying the engine is ugly.. im just sayin.. this is a rare swap and we know tweak will do a good job, lets not clutter the thread up with heresay and cosmetic opinions

I'm just going to stop posting my stuff up. Pretty much every thread I've started recently has been hated on.

eash there tweak...i dont know you dude but i'll tell you this. theres 3 people on this site i stop and stair when they post things....tweak...manny and nik. i dont care if its a write up on how the god damn wheel turns.....write it up dude. if people can post pics of their car when it gets a wash then you can post what ever you want. keepit up dude!

[Dr_Tweak]

Top mount intercooler installed to test the engine...



Front-mount finished up....

[H8DC3lica94]

Thanks for the nice comments everyone. I have some more pics that I haven't uploaded yet, I'll add them tomorrow. I've road tested the car and it runs great! I just needs to go to the exhaust shop and get a couple of custom a/c lines installed.

Actually you should just ship it over here, it's not all that expensive.

-Doc

It must be really nice to have such passion about what you do... or am I assuming too much? It looks like you really enjoy your work.

No you're pretty much right, I actually loose sight of that from too much stress, which is a mistake. I DID get into this because I love doing swaps and tuning engines, and sometimes I forget that!

In fact, that's probably 1/2 the reason I post this stuff up, because showing my work and getting feedback on it often inspires me to keep it up.

-Doc

Can i get 1/2 off the price of the finishing work on mine if i ship it to ya and just keep on giving you wonderful feedback? hehehe

well i thought i'd give it a try.But you have inspired me once again to get under the hood of my car and get my engine going. i just got to get hold of a few friends and a few tools and you should be expecting alot of messages from me when i get everything set.

[Dr_Tweak]

Heheh alright.

Well the car went home today after a few road tests and a dyno run. It feels very strong and smooth, definetely a worthy swap. When the owner gets home I'm sure he'll post up his impressions.

-Doc

[dustin15brown]

How did the dyno go?

[jdg371]

ive always wondered.. doesnt SC engines like the short intercooler piping?

[brianforster]

dont tease us doc, what did it dyno?

howd it feel in comparison to the 3sgte swaps? i know youve test drove them before so itd be nice to know how it compares

[WH95TE]

Tweak you work out of GA right? If I ever get money for a swap im bringing it to you lol.

By the way, found a typo on the site.



This post has been edited by WH95TE: Aug 2, 2006 - 2:01 AM

[Hanyo]

thanks Doc for the pictures and info.

you make 6gc a better community with all the knowledge you bring.

doc can you get a scale and weigh each engine you put in? i want to know the weight of the 3sgte, beams, 7afe, 4age.. ect.

[Dr_Tweak]

I'm not going to release the dyno numbers on THIS swap, for two reasons. One, it's up to the owner to do that, and two, there was a hole in the intercooler that he gave me which was causing a boost (and vacuum) leak, and so he wasn't running nearly the amount of boost that he should have been, so the numbers were a little low.

However, I will tell you that another swap I did, same engine, but into a Corolla, was dynoed the same day. Stock besides an SS Autocrap header and a front-mount intercooler, it made 150whp at 9 psi.

The s/c has no problem filling the intercooler system with boost, however ALL forced induction setups benefit from shorter intercooler piping. One warning I will issue about the 4AGZE though, the throttle plate is the first thing in the intake system, so the WHOLE intercooler system is under vacuum. This presents more than the usual number of chances for vacuum leaks and whatnot.

For driving impressions, it's a much different feeling than the 3SGTE. The the 3S feels okay at first, with a WHOOSH of power coming on around 2500-3000 rpm, and holding fairly well up to redline. The GZE on the other hand has no suddeness to it, it has extremely smooth and linear power from idle on up with a slight drop towards redline (like the 3S). The power is instant and if you don't have good tires, will burn rubber at pretty much any point in the RPM band in first or second gear. It feels a lot like you're driving a car with a pretty big V6 in it.

WH96TE, yeah my partner George does the website and he's not too savvy with his spelling skills. I pointed that one out to him a while ago but he hasn't gotten to it.

The 4AGZE is marginally heavier than the 7AFE, but it would be interesting to weigh each of them and see what the numbers are. I'll look into it.

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Aug 2, 2006 - 7:05 AM

[jdg371]

This really feels like the swap im going for.. rofl how hard would it take to get 200whp on those things?

Ive been reading gze infos at ae92gts.com for a while. (yrs back) would a rebuild really benefit the engine to create more hp

[Dr_Tweak]

This really feels like the swap im going for.. rofl how hard would it take to get 200whp on those things?

Ive been reading gze infos at ae92gts.com for a while. (yrs back) would a rebuild really benefit the engine to create more hp

To get to 200whp I'd probably be looking at a larger supercharger, like the SC14, injectors, piggyback, and some tuning.

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Aug 2, 2006 - 10:21 AM

[FAQdaWorld]

Just thought I'd chime in, I'm the other guy w/ a running JDM 4agze into a 6th gen. I dont post a lot anymore these days, at least not here, i spend more of my time on club4ag or just researchin on my own. Congrats on joining the gze community to the owner of the black 6th gen

One of these days I'll take some more pictures / video of the car running. I currently have it all apart again to fix some body issues and a few other things. When its back together I'll have upgraded sc'er boost, larger injectors, fmic, and full standalone. I'll keep you guys posted when all that finally goes down

-FAQ

[celi_gt_racer]

nice to see you posting again on the site bro - cant wait to see more vids and pics of ur car, and good luck w/ the body work and such.... post more often! haha

[Dickster223]

Hi my name is Richard, and this was my car and my swap. First I would like to say Dr. Tweak did a very good job. Every thing works from my P/S to my A/C. Very professional work. He gave me a set price for labor and stuck to it even though it took many more hours then what i was charged.

Now to the car. I was very disapointed in the numbers on the dyno which was 130hp 145 ft/t. after drivng it i wasnt so upset it was smooth and quite a bit quiker then my modded 7afe. Although I noticed my boost was max psi at only 7lbs i knew there had to be something wrong. We figured out that it was my intercooler leaking a lil. so hopes went up a lil. on my 9.5 hour drive home i noticed my boost not holding at 7 and it just kept getting weaker adn weaker. After I made it home i checked the belt to the S/C and it was slipping a lot. I tighted it down nice and tight took it for a test drive and WOW

IT WAS A WHOLE NEW CAR BOOSTING AROUND 9.5 10 AND IT SCREAMS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THEN WHEN IT WAS ON THE DYNO. once i get my new intercooler it should be AWSOME. I WOULD RECOMEND THIS SWAP FOR ANY 7AFE. MY BUDDY HAS A 92 300ZX and it should be a good run If your thinking of swaping a 4agze do it and call Tweak even if he doesnt do it he can help.

Thanks again Tweak

I will try to get videos if i can ever figure out how to post them.

[Kwanza26]

That's nice... great work!

[WH95TE]

I want a 4age lol. Glad you like it

[soulshadow]

Doc where do u get your 4agze from and how much? Im thinking of going this route for more power.

[hashmaster52]

Doc where do u get your 4agze from and how much? Im thinking of going this route for more power.

same here.

[Dr_Tweak]

That one came from Venus Auto and I think it was like $1600 shipped or so.

-Doc

[teal_terrorGT]

anyone up for a twin charger project ? with the GZE ? I know HKS had a kit years ago but a custom one will be nice dont ya think ?

This post has been edited by teal_terrorGT: Jan 28, 2007 - 10:46 PM

[celicaxcore]

So, I'm new to the forum and new to doing swaps to different motors. Well, I'm just new... Anyways, I want more power, and I was looking for engine swap, 3s out of my league, 4a has potential. So my question is, about how long would it take to swap a 4a with trans into my 95 st? And what am I looking at fabbing or swapping along with it?

[Yerson432]

well you posted kind of like "its been done and been done better" and that was a bit hating and the people saying the engine is ugly.. im just sayin.. this is a rare swap and we know tweak will do a good job, lets not clutter the thread up with heresay and cosmetic opinions

I'm just going to stop posting my stuff up. Pretty much every thread I've started recently has been hated on.

Answers to questions: My understanding has been that the only car the MAP/DLI version of the 4AGZE came in was the AE101, and this is the MAP/DLI version. I'm pretty sure that the AE92 had only the AFM version.

As for the transmission, the C52 tranny has been used in almost every Corolla swap that I can think of, and it's a very rugged transmission. I've never once heard of a 4AGZE breaking one. Considering the simplicity of swapping it over instead of making the E58 work, it's a very logical choice.

Also I've cleaned the engine up quite a bit and it looks a lot better now.

-Doc

Dr. I have a Celica Stx 92 and they tell me that the 4agze 16v is a plug and play swap for my car no adjust...just plug and play...is this true ???

[easternpiro1]

doc's on once in a while, idk if he will see this post.

his website is phoenixtuning.com u can hit him up at the shop at 404 474 4573.

[soulshadow]

Whoever told you its a plug and play should be slapped to death. Unless you got a FWD corolla thats a 4age, it ain't gonna be easy. You will need to redo the wiring, figure a way to work the P/S lines and if you want A/C do some custom wielding.