Celica Faster then supra, can i make my celica out run a supra. Options

[alaNi]

what do i have to do to push over 400hp with a 5s - 94 hatchback. i wanna make a "mini supra". give me a parts lists with prices please thanks

[JoKeRkId613]

no offense, but you're kidding - right?

[Chanh55]

How about a list of FAQs...

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=27939

400 hp on the 5s... goodluck. =)

[alaNi]

lol i know it sounds retarded but im serious u think with a 5s i can push 400 cuz i know with turbo they can push around 300 let me know

[Zimluura]

ice23q's approach should be able to get you a good start
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showuser=2154

took a 3s-gte head and put in onto his 5s-fe block to make a 5s-gte. it seems like way more work than a 3s swap though.

i've been thinking it'd be fun (if i had unlimited resources of course) to try to make a mid engine celica with that new chevy ls7 engine.

[alaNi]

do you think i can do it with 3sgte and fwd?

[6strngs]

the 3sgte is capable of 400 hp. I've never seen a 5sfe anywhere close to that, I don't think you could do it without dropping in some serious cash. but the 3s will do it... 400 hp in a FWD might not be the greatest though

[Driveby]

3sgte is capable of of over 600bhp at the flywheel but I hope you have some real deep pockets...

[quicknstyle]

its definately possible, i mean, 3s, bigger turbo, more boost, upgrade fuel system, good tune all that kind of stuff, the best thing about it is that since its such a stout motor, you really shouldn't HAVE to mess with internals... but in lies the problem is that traction will be a serious issue, thats what ur gonna have to deal with, although ive seen a few 400hp civics and all, but there is alot of suspension upgrades that go with that, and also, they arent geatest on the strip without slicks or anything... it'd be a great highway queen, but it all depends. being faster than a STOCK supra, you should be capable at a 3sgte swap and some basic bolt ons, all depends on the kind of supra ur trying to beat...

[alaNi]

so i should go with the 3sgte if i want that kind of power?

[hitcachi]

you should go with 10,000 dollars if you want that kinda of power.

[alaNi]

lol for 10 grand i could drop a supra twinturbo engine in it

[CelicaST202]

this is too funny

[RocafellaRicer]

what do i have to do to push over 400hp with a 5s - 94 hatchback. i wanna make a "mini supra". give me a parts lists with prices please thanks

[playr158]

mwahahah ash you crack me up +1

[Illyont]

This thread is already doomed, but what the heck..

The 3S-GTE engine can make around 1000 hp at the flywheel if done right. But you are looking at a cost for the engine alone that is way more than actually buying and tuning a Supra MK IV.

We have an original Top Secret Supra here in Norway with the 3S-GTE engine pushing atleast 800+ hp. But then again, with the 2JZ-GTE engine you can probably get 1500+ hp.

This thread is probably BS anyway though.. ^^

[sinner96ST]

Tufy's got a supra killer, but he's dumped tens of thousands of dollars in to his gt-four to get it that fast.

if you own anything under 150hp and expect it to be a supra killer, it'd be called a sport bike.

[j0e_p3t]

lol for 10 grand i could drop a supra twinturbo engine in it

not even close. please read. for 10 grand you might be able to convert your fwd to awd. the only reason tufy can beat a 1000 hp supra with only 600 hp is cuz of better traction off the line due to awd. video. or for 10 grand you can swap in a 3s and mod the ish out of it and possibly reach 400 hp. but like everyone said, that much hp on a fwd car isn't the best idea. the easiest way to beat a supra without spending crazy amounts of money.... autox.

This post has been edited by j0e_p3t: Dec 2, 2006 - 3:07 PM

[easternpiro1]

what do i have to do to push over 400hp with a 5s - 94 hatchback. i wanna make a "mini supra". give me a parts lists with prices please thanks

OKAY... ANYBODY that has been here a while can agree with me...THAT IS THE FUNNIEST THING IVE SEEN HERE IN MY LIFE!!!!!!!

way to go rockafellaricer! WELCOME TO 6GC!


and my rookie friend....im glad nobody has flamed you yet, but like they told me, the search button is your friend...

[raz128]

In terms of a 3sgte (rev3), simple bolt-on goodies such as downpipe, flexi-pipe, catback and boost set to 1.1bar should see roughly 300bhp. I think an Apexi FC with injectors ups that figure to around 340bhp.

For 400bhp on it, you will very certainly need to be looking at upping the internals

[Nibbe]

What i would do if i want some hps to my celica is dropping on some st205 3sgte engine. Its easier to swap and gives you better numbers for the start and its with lower mileages (also costs little bit more). But man if you really want some supra killer change away your celica or get a gt4. Just dont make yourself a joke by trying it with fwd celica.

[97lestyousay]

what do i have to do to push over 400hp with a 5s - 94 hatchback. i wanna make a "mini supra". give me a parts lists with prices please thanks

With a proper build this should be possable. Pressure2 is over halfway there with his
5s on stock internals. The main problem seems to be wheel spin with anything over 250 whp.

[RocafellaRicer]

what do i have to do to push over 400hp with a 5s - 94 hatchback. i wanna make a "mini supra". give me a parts lists with prices please thanks

OKAY... ANYBODY that has been here a while can agree with me...THAT IS THE FUNNIEST THING IVE SEEN HERE IN MY LIFE!!!!!!!

way to go rockafellaricer! WELCOME TO 6GC!


and my rookie friend....im glad nobody has flamed you yet, but like they told me, the search button is your friend...

Always happy to provide some laughs Thanks for the welcome, I will probably only make appearances in extremely stupid threads like this one though

-Ashley

[snapshotgt]

Import an st205, and build off of that if you have that kind of money too throw at it. If you want that much hp in a Celica, you will want and need AWD.

[alaNi]

ok so say 300hp what all do i have to do to stop wheelspin. or how can i switch it to awd and how much will that cost ty

This post has been edited by alaNi: Dec 2, 2006 - 5:34 PM

[snapshotgt]

ok so say 300hp what all do i have to do to stop wheelspin. or how can i switch it to awd and how much will that cost ty

Search "AWD" and you will pull up many threads where this has been talked about.

[bojangles_8686]

you have a lot of searching and reading to do....

[6th_celi_vert]

As soon as i seen the title of this thread...I knew he was gonna get flamed eventually.

[Hanyo]

ok so say 300hp what all do i have to do to stop wheelspin. or how can i switch it to awd and how much will that cost ty

300 hp is easy to get if you have a 3sgte engine swap.
AWD is the most difficult part.


1) you need an awd drive train, such as: axel, drive shafts, COMPLETELY new rear suspention: awd tranmission 2) you need to custom mount this hardware to your celica, buy cuting the body up to peices and welding it back together. 3) your wheel spin should be eleminated by the awd conversion but if you want to get rid of wheel spin completely, you need to need to find a limited slip differental for you car.

The cost will be very very very high, because of sourcing out all the parts, and labor. You will need to find a experience shop that can do all the fabrication of the rear suspention correctly. If the rear suspention is not correctly mounted your car will not drive straight and becomes dangerious to drive. Even after they have sucessfully mounted the rear suspention, the frame of the car has been modifided and no one knows how safe the car will be in a crash afterwards.

[6th_celi_vert]

ok so say 300hp what all do i have to do to stop wheelspin. or how can i switch it to awd and how much will that cost ty

AWD is the most difficult part.


1) you need an awd drive train, such as: axel, drive shafts, COMPLETELY new rear suspention: awd tranmission 2) you need to custom mount this hardware to your celica, buy cuting the body up to peices and welding it back together. 3) your wheel spin should be eleminated by the awd conversion but if you want to get rid of wheel spin completely, you need to need to find a limited slip differental for you car.

The cost will be very very very high, because of sourcing out all the parts, and labor. You will need to find a experience shop that can do all the fabrication of the rear suspention correctly. If the rear suspention is not correctly mounted your car will not drive straight and becomes dangerious to drive. Even after they have sucessfully mounted the rear suspention, the frame of the car has been modifided and no one knows how safe the car will be in a crash afterwards.

Many have tried...NONE have succeeded...

[quicknstyle]

once again, what supra are we talking about, you should be able to take a sock one with a swap and basic bolt ons, only like 250-300whp... high hp on street cars are nothing but dyno and highway queens, because even on rwd, 1000hp is stupid. now stop with the assonine questions...

[6strngs]

I think 300hp on a 5s would be doable. you'd probably need to get some forged internals, and then a real big turbo, and a complete fuel and ignition system, then get it properly tuned... I think you could do it. it would probably be cheaper to swap a 3s and do some mods to that to make it 300 hp though.

[x_itchy_b_x]

a gazillion hp can come out of the 5s with $$$ nothing more too it.
you can also get awd for some more $$$, (ps awd conversions have been done)
so yeah its basically depends on how deep your wallet is.

[alaNi]

ok 5grand to get me 300hp or more what all parts do i need dont add in labor i got that down let me know

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

If you really know what you're doing, I bet you could get 400hp out of a 5sfe for around 10-15k. Maybe less, or closer to 10k. Then a limited slip or locking differenctial would stop or at least help wheel spin. It's easy to type that. lol

ok 5grand to get me 300hp or more what all parts do i need dont add in labor i got that down let me know

So, you have experiance with swapping motors? That's a good bit of work and tuning to get 300hp even from a 3sgte. Seems to me, if you really have to ask if you can beat a Supra with a 5sfe Celica, you don't have the know-how to do this kind of work. So, I think you better start thinking about labor. This is all just a freaking joke anyway. You're not going to do anything.

[WH95TE]

lol for 10 grand i could drop a supra twinturbo engine in it

not even close. please read. for 10 grand you might be able to convert your fwd to awd. the only reason tufy can beat a 1000 hp supra with only 600 hp is cuz of better traction off the line due to awd. video. or for 10 grand you can swap in a 3s and mod the ish out of it and possibly reach 400 hp. but like everyone said, that much hp on a fwd car isn't the best idea. the easiest way to beat a supra without spending crazy amounts of money.... autox.

and because 1000hp supra's are a joke. Sure its nice to put up those kinds of numbers, but actually racing them... If both Tufy and the Supra had 600hp it would have been a much closer race

This post has been edited by WH95TE: Dec 3, 2006 - 3:05 AM

[hitcachi]

I will probably only make appearances in extremely stupid threads like this one though
-Ashley

Please don't.

[tin_foil]

what do i have to do to push over 400hp with a 5s - 94 hatchback. i wanna make a "mini supra". give me a parts lists with prices please thanks

If you absolutely love your Celica, like most people on this site, just focus on making your celica faster. That way you can put down as much money as you're willing to, and get it nice and fast compared to civics, eclipses, etc.

If all you care about is making your celica "faster than a supra", let me give you some advice. Sell the thing and just buy a supra, cause in the end it'll be cheaper...


PS: that JZ pic is freaking hilarious. =] I showed it to my non-car-enthusiastic friend but she didn't get it...lol....no big surprise there.

[easternpiro1]

[/quote]
Always happy to provide some laughs Thanks for the welcome, I will probably only make appearances in extremely stupid threads like this one though

-Ashley
[/quote]

DAMN....LOL....

[BLADDER_MASTER]

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This post has been edited by BLADDER_MASTER: Nov 13, 2012 - 2:52 PM

[Hanyo]

ok 5grand to get me 300hp or more what all parts do i need dont add in labor i got that down let me know

with 5 grand you can turbo charge your stock motor. But you will probably only get 250 hp.

I dont know the exact cost of a 3sgte motor swap will cost, but its around 5-7 grand, but with this option you can easily go past the 300 hp marker.

[dustin15brown]

Tufy's has has 600bhp.. which is to the wheels... True? AWD hasa large amount of power loss from the crank to wheels... I've read up to 20%... So now I"m actually curious on Tufy's crank hp... anyone?

[playr158]

Tufy's has has 600bhp.. which is to the wheels... True? AWD hasa large amount of power loss from the crank to wheels... I've read up to 20%... So now I"m actually curious on Tufy's crank hp... anyone?

isn't it
bhp = crank
whp = wheels
?

so expressing tuffy's #s as bhp isn't probably true

so tuffy is probably near 750 bhp if he's 600whp

This post has been edited by playr158: Dec 5, 2006 - 10:57 PM

[Kwanza26]

This topic has just made everyone dumber...

[3WayStunna]

what do i have to do to push over 400hp with a 5s - 94 hatchback. i wanna make a "mini supra". give me a parts lists with prices please thanks

ROFLMAO

[tufy]

Tufy's has has 600bhp.. which is to the wheels... True? AWD hasa large amount of power loss from the crank to wheels... I've read up to 20%... So now I"m actually curious on Tufy's crank hp... anyone?

isn't it
bhp = crank
whp = wheels
?

so expressing tuffy's #s as bhp isn't probably true

so tuffy is probably near 750 bhp if he's 600whp

guys.. the dyno i have been was a rolling dyno.. that means power is measures as whp then calculated to hp.. i have arround 500 whp@1.5 bars which means 600-650.. only limit for me is block.. i know 3sgte's running over 700 bhp but i wanna be save and here is where i stop..

[Disco Dan]

You didn't specify what generation Supra you're trying to beat, so as long as you race a stock '81 Supra you'll be fine. Heck, you won't even need to alter your stock 5SFE! The MKI had a 2.8L V6 that only put out 116bhp, so the trick here isn't to improve your Celica, but to lower your standards! The end.

[G3D45]

what do i have to do to push over 400hp with a 5s - 94 hatchback. i wanna make a "mini supra". give me a parts lists with prices please thanks

Just sell your Celica and buy Supra... The easiest way. Am I wrong?

[6strngs]

I was actually thinking today, what if the 5s could reach 400hp? I mean there's alot of internals parts out there that I've never really seen anybody with. if you did forged pistons and rods, metal head gasket, a really good turbo set-up (as in, not a ct-26), cams, port and polish the head, and a good fuel and ignition set-up, then could the 5sfe reliably make like 350-400 hp? I mean, it's made close to 250 with a moderate turbo set-up.

[playr158]

I was actually thinking today, what if the 5s could reach 400hp? I mean there's alot of internals parts out there that I've never really seen anybody with. if you did forged pistons and rods, metal head gasket, a really good turbo set-up (as in, not a ct-26), cams, port and polish the head, and a good fuel and ignition set-up, then could the 5sfe reliably make like 350-400 hp? I mean, it's made close to 250 with a moderate turbo set-up.

can it do it, yes with enough money and work

reliably....NO

save the money don't waste your time trying to push more then 300 if that on 5sfe...you'd be wiser to invest otherplaces

This post has been edited by playr158: Dec 16, 2006 - 12:03 AM

[pure_dx]

swap in a 3sgte, or just get a supra

[6strngs]

I was actually thinking today, what if the 5s could reach 400hp? I mean there's alot of internals parts out there that I've never really seen anybody with. if you did forged pistons and rods, metal head gasket, a really good turbo set-up (as in, not a ct-26), cams, port and polish the head, and a good fuel and ignition set-up, then could the 5sfe reliably make like 350-400 hp? I mean, it's made close to 250 with a moderate turbo set-up.

can it do it, yes with enough money and work

reliably....NO

save the money don't waste your time trying to push more then 300 if that on 5sfe...you'd be wiser to invest otherplaces

oh, I wasn't planning on trying it. I was just thinking hypothetically. but, really, what exactly is stopping it from being reliable?

[ShampooIsBetter]

If you don't have the will to search this forum for the answers to your questions, you don't have the will to put forth the GRAND amount of effort to make your car AWD, turbo your car, swap your car, or beat a Supra. You're starting with a not-so-great platform as a Celica fwd. These are my personal opinions, but I think you lack the self-reliance to do reach these goals if you have to ask us all these questions.

I don't mean to put you down, by all means, do it man. Give it a shot.

This post has been edited by ShampooIsBetter: Dec 16, 2006 - 12:56 AM

[celica95gt]

wow that a cool topic to talk about,well it going to take a whole lot of money and all the stuff your going to throw into going to blow the motor because that camary motor real not made for raceing.Now if your talking about mr 2 that could be close.It a good idea,getting a super charager or turbo will help.I would get a high performance motor and tranmission in order to get to wear you are.You could swap the motor to a v6 camry motor.I read some add v6 to mr2.I think the highest you will get that car to is about 300 hp anything else will blow the motor.even with the trd kit they have for the celica it get more horse power but not enough to beat a supra.Good luck though